<p>If he is complaining about white people saying that Asians work harder (not that they're naturally smarter) than it sounds to me like he's saying Asians ARE naturally smarter and deserve to be told that. I don't think he was making an observation.</p>
<p>It also sounds like you're implying the same thing as him in your post, too. According to you, whites should accept Asians are smarter because they generally do better than us, and not call blacks dumber because they generally do worse. There's a huge inconsistency there.</p>
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that white people will change their terminology in order to make themselves the standard to which everything is compared. There is a huge inconsistency in my statement because their is a huge inconsistency in how white people (or at least my peers) evaluate other races. Ideally, I think white people should standardize their terms. So, they should either say "Asians do better because they work harder and blacks don't do as well because they don't work hard" or they should say "Blacks do worse because they are naturally dumber and Asians do better because they are naturally smarter." I just want some of my white peers to stop flip-flopping on why some races do better or worse than them on standardized tests. I don't care which conclusion they come to (that intelligence is a product of work ethic or that it is determined by genetics), but I want them to just choose one and stick with it across all racial groups. Of course, this probably won't happen, because as numerous posters noted, white people are the majority in this country so they will always skew things in the favor.</p>
<p>As for me implying that whites should accept that Asians are smarter but blacks aren't dumber, that is not what I intended. So, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my post. I did not intend to pass judgement on the intelligence (or lack thereof) of blacks, whites, or asians. And, whatever you pull from this post or my previous post is probably not going to be how I truly feel, because I have yet to even state an opinion on differing test scores between races.</p>
<p>why do you think asians do better than other minorities? because we WORK HARDER and are brought up in good environments that stimulate learning. everyday at school i see black kids making fun of asians for studying and then when they don't get into college they start complaining about "racism" and how the "white devil" is keeping them down. BS. if you work hard, you can do well on the SAT.</p>
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Agreed 3x. Regardless of your skin color, if you have these two you are a million times more likely to do better. Imagine growing up in a family that doesn't value education for example. It's going to take a lot more to get you to put education among your top priorities.</p>
<p>Most of the asians that come to this country are more intelligent, motivated, and have much better work ethic than the average asian in the world...plus the asian culture is much different...so many people (whites) here get high school diplomas and take the SAT even if they are not serious about going to college which skews the average...the asians seem to take it more seriously and have much more outside pressure from their parents and family honor</p>
<p>I believe that the people who do better work harder. And yes, a lot of those people are Asians. As stated before by someone else, I think a lot of Asian parents, especially those who weren't born in the US, more than push their kids into succeeding. I know Asian kids who say their parents dictate which classes they have to take, and probably these same parents are checking their kids homework every night (this must be the "environment that stimulates learning"-personally, I wouldn't like to have mommy and daddy telling me how to study). This is not true of all Asians (and neither is the stereotype - yes, stereotypes can be good too...and those are the stereotypes that other races like to perpetuate: that Asians are smarter, that blacks are bigger in a certain area). </p>
<p>There are Asians that I work harder than, and there are Asians who work harder than me. There are black people who I work harder than, and there are black people who work harder than me. I could keep going.</p>
<p>So PKswmr, and a lot of other people on here, you're just as racist as the people you're criticizing by saying that Asians, as a race, work harder than other races. Like I said before, just because you're a minority doesn't mean you can make these remarks and claim they're free of bias. Not only whites can be racist, contrary to the general consensus.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should stop associating race with success, and switch to personality type. The type A individual, who is driven and has access to all of the appropriate resources will do better each time...</p>
<p>There are lazy and creative individuals in each race... Not to mention there are parents of every denomination that push their children to the maximum. How is it possible to determine which race is smarter, better, etc. without stereotyping? Sure test scores would solve the problem for most, but for those in low income areas or for those who've little educational outlets, wouldn't their test scores be a bit low?</p>
<p>And as a black student, I find all of the speculation behind race and IQ a little silly. In fact, when I got A's and was the top of my class, even members of my own race said I was acting "Asian" or "Caucasian." You see, this ridiculous stereotyping is pervasive and present in all cultures.<br>
To hell with it....Right? O_o ?</p>
<p>i agree with chris07's last post, but the point of my OP was that Time was being "racist" by wording that sentence the way they did. Of course, one could argue that whites are in the majority so every other ethnic group should be compared against them.</p>
<p>"So PKswmr, and a lot of other people on here, you're just as racist as the people you're criticizing by saying that Asians, as a race, work harder than other races. Like I said before, just because you're a minority doesn't mean you can make these remarks and claim they're free of bias. Not only whites can be racist, contrary to the general consensus."</p>
<p>-you're not getting my point though. i'm not saying that asians get higher scores because they're asian. i'm saying that they get higher scores because they're motivated and driven to do well. i agree with the post below mine on the other page. we should stop equating success with race but rather with an individual's personality type.</p>
<p>i think it's ridiculous that people compare standardized test scores with race. and I never criticized anyone for being racist... </p>
<p>what issue of Time was this article in btw?</p>
<p>What exactly are Asians anyway? Are we counting Indians? Why should we, when they are more Caucasian than anything else? Indian and Chinese-influenced East Asian cultures are vastly different. So what if they're all on the same land mass? Technically, Europe, Africa, and Asia are all linked together as well. Who decided that Russians are European, but Kazakhs were not? Or Iranians were Middle Eastern, but Indians were Asian? And when we speak of Asian in America, we usually refer to the select group of affluent immigrants from highly developed countries like Japan, Hong Kong, or Korea, hardly representative of an entire continent that has some very destitute people.</p>
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<p>I didnt realize it was the Asian kids who made their parents immigrate.</p>
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<p>whites "set the standard" because the majority of people that take the test are white. That is why everyone else is a MINORITY. The article was about MINORITIES. Not the rankings of races in terms of performance. If I make 10 robot men and they all get a 2400, should I list them as the best? no, they are a minority too.</p>
<p>I agree with PKswmr. Working hard and being brought up in an environment that fosters education will most likely lead to academic success, regardless of race. I think the reason why Asian-Americans generally perform better is because a lot of them happen to have those requisites. It's a correlation, not causation. They don't work harder because they're Asian, a lot of people just happen to be both. To be racist, you have to think that these SAT score gaps are caused by inate differences, not as the case may be, by socio-economic status.
So far as to why Time worded it that way, I think they were trying to emphasize that other minorities, Blacks, Hispanics, Native americans, what have you, are significantly lagging behind Whites and Asians. So if their focus is to bring attention to the needs of other minorities' education, to word it as "All other racial groups, including whites, do poorer than Asians on the SATs" would not address the problem.</p>
<p>Much of it has to do with the immigrant work-ethic - children of black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean go to college at a higher rate than whites and Asians.</p>
<p>Plus, there are plenty of Asians who do poorly on the SATs (don't expect to go to college) - usually from SE Asian groups (such as the Hmong) or low-income Asians where a college education doesn't seem to be within reach.</p>