<p>quote:
"If, Judge Buckwalter, the SAT discriminates against poor, disadvantaged black students, please answer some questions. Why do poor Asian students outperform middle-class whites on standardized tests? How is math culturally biased, such that American-born, English-speaking kids (who happen to live in the inner-city) should not be expected to perform? Why are there high schools where the average SAT score is 1300 in Barbados, a poor, black country, with a high percentage of single-parent households?</p>
<p>And, if the SAT does not predict academic success, why do University of California kids admitted under "special criteria" (a.k.a. affirmative action) drop out at much higher rates than do students admitted under regular criteria? Of the minority students admitted under "special criteria" from 1983 to 1987, only 7.2% graduated in four years, less than 50% within six years. During the same period, for "white and other" students admitted under regular criteria, graduation rates in four and six years were 34.1% and 77.6%, respectively."</p>
<p>The main reason for affirmative action is that these people have been historically disadvantaged. However, Asian Americans have also been historically disadvantages, and they--for the most part--have overcome that. They are now discriminated against in the admissions process. I am white, so this is not an asian bias coming through. I just sense a discrimination here...all minorities have been historically disadvantaged, but if one group is able to overcome, they all should theoretically have been able to as well. It's time to end AA.</p>
<p>"Why are there high schools where the average SAT score is 1300 in Barbados, a poor, black country, with a high percentage of single-parent households?"</p>
<p>Probably because Barbados is like some other Caribbean countries. Only the smartest, most motivated, and most affluent students go to high schools, which cost money and also are at a distance from many rural communities.</p>
<p>for anyone who blindly tries to defend for AA, just read this article.
For URLs, they do poorly in college, it's bad for URLs.
For asians, they don't get in where they deserve, it's bad for asians.
For collegs, they think they're diverse while they have a lower quality of students. But coming back to the fact that college is just a business, not purely for education, it's hard to evaluate the "business" potential in that.</p>
<p>Maybe no one else noticed that the OPs quote is from an article that is ancient history. The Buckwalter opinion mentioned is from early 1999 and was reversed by the appellate court in October 1999. The supposed 1300 Barbados scores are from the mid-1990s and it is known that the overwhelming majority of students from Barbados who took the SAT were upper class, well-educated students. The UC figures are from the 1980s. The claim that poor asian students scored higher (back in the mid-90s) than whites had no support. In other words, was there any reason for starting this post other than to generate prejudicial views?</p>
<p>I apologize for not reading it carefully.
I wanted to show CCers that when discussing, we should actually back ourselves up with proven stats, facts, articles, rather than just saying "I think blah blah blah...."
Maybe there was a mistake on my part, I didn't read it as closely as drusba, who seems so precise.
The famous Princeton report I believe many has read already. Someone could post that as well for those who's "personal opinions" differ from "experts' opinions".
I wanted to set up an example of using research instead of whining how asians whine, when "some" of them who actually know what they're talking, make a point.</p>
<p>bannana_girl's comment didn't strike me as racist, though it would have a year ago. I've seen and read more now. To me, these comments are more racist:</p>
<p>"One Korean student, applying from a top prep school, got pegged at MIT as yet another textureless math grind. At Vanderbilt, a former admissions staffer offered that Asians are very good students, but dont provide the kind of intellectual environment that colleges are looking for."
"Harvard evaluators ranked Asian American candidates on average below whites in personal qualities, and repeatedly described them as quiet/shy, science/math oriented, and hard workers. While McGrath Lewis and other high-ranking admissions officials deny the presence of stereotyping, the lower-level staffers responsible for individual applications acknowledge that such practices exist"</p>
<p>The source you use is quite questionable I must say, especially when it doesn't site sources, date it, and if you go two folders back, it shows a site dedicated to defaming the democrats and to show reasons why we must combat "Islamofascism." I do agree that affirmative action does have some faults, but I wouldn't try to imply anything with that article.</p>
<p>stupak:
What about the article done by Princeton University researchers? Would that be reliable?</p>
<p>Btw, racism....I must say b4nnd20 has a great point. </p>
<p>Lastly, it's not like I'm trying to defend myself or something, since I'm international; with or without AA I'm doomed either way.
I just hope that the "American Dream" still has equal opportunities for everyone as it claims</p>
<p>the reason i feel that the statement "afirmative action is bull. it gives them the idea that they can slack off but still get in to competitive scools." comes off as racist is because bannana_girl uses the term 'they', which in effect lumps all minorities into a group of people who she claims are undeserving because apparently THEY ALL slack off.</p>