Alternatives to UC Art departments - Relocation

College Majors Visual Arts and Film Majors
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<p>Greetings Everyone,</p>

<p>I am in a little bit of a dilemma and really would benefit from the advice of this form and the experiences of those in the community. </p>

<p>About my position:
I have received Carte Blanche scholarships to UC Davis and Cal but after exploring the privileges that come with such opportunities I am really not liking the strings, the focus on undergraduate craft and skill development, and the energy spent on students in the MFA programs with a general position of oppressive babysitting for undergrads. I have been taking coursework at Art Center and UCLA for a few terms and never experienced quite like this. I passed on Cal and recently accepted my place at Davis (which was for my needs superior) but I quickly realized the institution is run horribly and I have wasted 60 days dealing with bureaucratic red-tape, excessively inflated housing options, failures to fulfill promises made prior to admission, and thoroughly incompetent/indifferent secretaries and administrators that seem to be using students like pawns to apply pressure to so we will do battle with the state to assist them in the fight to increase their funding. </p>

<p>I realize this is all having a really negative impact on my output and the thought of wading through the cesspool of bureaucracy for two years seems like a complete waste of my energy and time regardless of how nice it is to be funded to study art. I am not your typical undergrad in that I have shown, I have done ALOT of mainstream work in the entertainment business (if you watch fox/comedy central/cartoon network you have seen my work) and my mentor at UCLA sees this undergrad process as a unfortunate stepping stone into a community of peers to offer my contribution to the "ongoing conversation".</p>

<p>The MFA schools I am considering currently are Urbana, Cranbrook, Commonwealth, and Mellon. I am seeking an art program outside of a major city, that is intimate and supportive yet has liberal resources like philosophy, linguistics, art history, creative writing departments to venture into for stimulus and debate. So, art schools would really be out of the question for undergrad. Also living on campus would be highly preferable since community and collaboration are both REALLY important to me at this point. A strong footing in research would be desirable since I am an early adopter/exploiter of emerging technologies and consider this to be integral to my art practice. Though this is not essential and I am "connected' enough to sustain my community of peers through the web to sustain this. </p>

<p>I will take any and all recommendations to heart for this "stepping stone". I have been pointed in the direction of Ohio University by a certain well known conceptual artist who is an indirect friend and I must say it looks promising. I love the British tutorial model and I could always pick up some work on the side from the film department. Currently I have a handful of suggestions which might help you get a feel for what people would recommend who know my work and me personally (beyond this letter). </p>

<p>Temple, Purchase, MICA, Cincinnati, Cornell, PITT, Wisconsin-Madison, Austin, Binghamton, William and Mary, Alfred. If you can speak for these departments or recommend others with a strong contemporary/conceptual footing (non-traditional at least) I would be thrilled. </p>

<p>At this point, I will move ANYWHERE (I am even exploring schools in Australia/Singapore but I think that is pushing it really) to get from point A to Point B. I have somewhat solid financial resources and drum up money well from grants or awards with my work and credits. I am not willing to wait past March for entrance and may possibly have the option to spend some time at Slade or a Northern CA residency before settling down into a transfer this fall. </p>

<p>Thank you all in advance for your consideration, thoughts, recommendations. I truly couldn't do this without your objectivity and vital advice. I am pleased to have this objective community to turn to in such a time! </p>

<p>Cheers!</p>

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<p>ok. I think you need to put in plain english so I can think
you want</p>

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<li>nice live-in state schools in nice little town to finish BA or BFA than art schools or the ones in the big city</li>
<li>want to make mess and do weird stuff and tired of plain goody goody BFA</li>
<li>want to do high high MFA in, again, not in the big city</li>
<li>kind of old and worked already but money is not growing on the tree as for 50K /year</li>
<li>wants to take brainy classes to expand yet more of those blahblah- ing</li>
<li>hate LA and won’t/can’t go to UCLA or ArtCenter to finish off BA BFA already</li>
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<p>I am puzzled why SUNY Bing is in the list. Purchase maybe but Bing could be far from what you want except maybe the fact being top SUNY (for, donno, business, cs, pre this and that)</p>

<p>you never said what you think of Bruin bear’s flat as a mirror paw?</p>

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<p>Oh of course I can simplify it - Bullet points are so clinical and impersonal though. </p>

<p>For you Bears and Dogs, Simplified (somewhat)</p>

<p>I’d like to match as much of this criteria as possible: </p>

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<li>Would ideally like to abandon the BFA/BA Traditional Art/Bauhaus Educational Model (but it is a somewhat necessary evil for MFA Program consideration) which is really inappropriate for me. Obviously science and technology are shaping culture currently and most artists don’t wish to participate in the conversation in “traditional” art departments.
They might flirt, but there is littler interaction going on or taking place between the disciplines. The arts are for the most part impotent when it comes to integrating and exploiting new scientific and technological developments in undergraduate academic settings. In Singapore this is not the case, but it is much more left brained, things like play and improvisation are severely lacking in their schools.
Mind you, technology in art would not mean the use of graphics tablets with adobe/maxon/autodesk products but more so bridging the potential for new and emerging technologies to serve as a source material, medium, or conversation for the artist to actively participate/utilize/transform/synthesize/reverse engineer…ect. </li>
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<p>2… Nice little town (proximity to big city may be nice, but not necessary, tight knit community centered college town. </p>

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<li><p>MFA would be best done at a school that sits somewhere in between Stanford’s CCRMA/MIT Media Lab/ and the Space & Time model of most MFA’s. I like what Urbana is proposing with the eDream institute, I think the MAT program at UCSB is exciting, and UCSD’s ICMA is on the right track. Just hoping options exist outside of Ca, everyone I speak to point to Carnegie Mellon’s but I don’t have the footing in computer science and I will spend 3 years on undergrad playing catchup. It’s also really media focused, and I want to go out into the deepest darkest nether-spaces of art and technology. </p></li>
<li><p>No, it is not but I have faith in drumming up funding. I can work freelance if necessary and pull down a decent sum and have always won awards and scholarships when I made the attempt to apply. I was also a grant writer for a well know art institution so I know how to get projects funded if necessary and what resources are out there in the 501c3 sector. 50k is ALOT, I would like to stay in the 20-30k range but this is a dream, I have only myself to care for financially so at this point it’s about the time/community/and dream fulfillment. </p></li>
<li><p>Points for the Brainy Classes, even if I can crash them - I love the British tutorial model and I work really well one on one with prof’s. I just don’t have patience for the sabotaging and obsessive competition with peers, for some students its a must, but I think it just leaves me concerned with proving a point and missing the larger. </p></li>
<li><p>I HATE LA, I’ve lived here for 10 years, Out Out Out (even out of CA!) the universities are in overhaul and impacted, and the arts tend to be the first with their throats cut, all the professors seem to be overly concerned with nurturing the MFA students from my on campus discussions with art students, and I don’t see the passion or curiosity to jump into a new material or medium, everyone’s on the straight and narrow chasing the grade and putting out work to appease prof’s. <em>Rolls Eyes</em> You should have seen the stares I got at UCLA in painting class when I refused to paint with a brush and was inventing new ways to apply paint through intermediate processes. Though my prof was quite accepting and accommodating as long as I didn’t inflict the class with the sound of metals grinding and crashing against each-other in group studio. :)</p></li>
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<p>I don’t know anything about Binghamton University (its a suny?) a friend at Art Center and I had a talk about gender trouble and she was like, Oh well why are you transferring up to Davis, you’d be happier at Binghamton. I looked it up on a map and thought, hmm remote, Ok, I can add it to the list now that the safety net has a lot of holes in it. </p>

<p>Lastly, I kind of favor the quarter system. If I get to be that picky!</p>

<p>What do you think about a proposed/individual major? Are the a No No for MFA Programs? How about a BA in Art History and Minor in Art Studio from a more elite school since many have weaker art dept’s?</p>

<p>I always wondered actually if Ursus Arctos walk plantigrade, if not then thats one dynamically strutting brown bear with a hell of a spring in it’s step! :)</p>

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<p>I don call ^that simple, mine is way way better, no?</p>

<p>too bad you are overaged, if you want oxbridge model, Williams or Sarah Lawrence ( hey, Yoko Ono went -payed in to go- there!!) would have been good. You never know, maybe they don’t mind lowering USNWR ranking. (SL doesn’t care for sure, try and see, though good normal people says art there sucks)
James Hogue was 28 when he cheated into Princeton. I do not exactly recommend that method but something tells me you could do it if you set your mind to. DON’T.
<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Runner-Account-Fantastical-Adventures-Impostor/dp/158243504[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Runner-Account-Fantastical-Adventures-Impostor/dp/158243504&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>that, exactly is the problem… that bear is like Durer’s (how do you get dots on the letter to do german? dots are on the “u” I think) lion or walrus minus his super skill when people did not know what the real actual creature looked like.
paw makes a bear of the bear, man, you can not cheat on paws.</p>

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<p>suggestion for UCLA
how about selling the Serra rusting away which according to you eye sore to the prof anyway, to feed poor students? I doubt the Bruin would bring much $</p>

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<p>I think the university might be better served to trade the piece with Richard in exchange for him spending three days a week for 2 hours on a walk from the Hammer up to say Royce and let him just mumble and doodle in his little moleskin but don’t tell any of the students who he is just like the students who mumble in passing his sculptures that UCLA has to put the stamp of approval on before people will really take a moment to look. Its a great school if your stuck in the 15th century when it comes to art history. My family are all graduates (Undergrad and Post Grad) except I had a brother who did Penn. Obviously I am the baaa baa aa baa aa Black Sheep!</p>

<p>Another reason why I loved Oberlin - but after a course in display techniques find this really disturbing unless you can sew cotton gloves onto the students hands permanently. </p>

<p>[AMAM</a> - Art Rental](<a href=“Allen Memorial Art Museum”>Allen Memorial Art Museum)</p>

<p>Looking for the form posting about Cornell and your kid.</p>

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<p>no, it’s not forum nor thread just stupid sad posts all over the place and never named names. mums are the word. </p>

<p>stuffed black sheep toys never sells but we keep trying them because we do believe they are cuter than the ones white as snow.</p>

<p>keep it up.</p>

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<p>english lesson
^^mum’s the word !</p>

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<p>I am somewhat brain dead right now. Just ■■■■■■■■ around. In my haze I respond with:</p>

<p>Hampshire and Bennington. FLEXIBILTY</p>

<p>Oberlin sounds good. </p>

<p>Purchase. Good price. Worth visiting if you can.</p>

<p>Evergreen</p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon - might give you good aid too.</p>

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<p>anyone’s brain would be dead if you start listening to this kid (from our age group, anyway)
you are so nice to visit, as always.
anyone else? c’mon</p>

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<p>everyone else have life and no one posting, hem
I 'd bump.</p>

<p>@Oberlin
I read in somewhere they never had kid trashed paintings. I do assume they’d rent them in its frame possibly made out of plexiglass? It’s better than permanent gloved hands which would be used for many other unfitting activities by co-ed 18-22sh.
the photo you mentioned ^ ^ must have been staged to make it look warm and fussier already.
I do admire the guts of the museum official though, considering what happened to Met’s pink Picasso.
It was mended and now up on view with special note : here was the tear, look!! we fixed it good, no?</p>

<p>Dick and Richard
could someone good with english explain how “Dick” can be short for Richard? redbug? though in Mr. Serra’s case, his published known personality seems well fitting of this nickname.</p>

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<p>forget it, google knows everything

  • About 15,300,000 results (0.16 seconds)
    do I want to read all this today or go out and do something productive or stay in and do someting boring (work)</p>

<p>have a nice day!!</p>