American Dream Abroad

<p>Ok looks like they have a medical program straight from High School in China. The problem is that I am afraid if I go then I can't come back to do practice in the USA. The school that they send students is China Medical University. I'm not sure if that school US Credited and I basically don't want to come back to US and they say no I can't do practice here. Anybody going here? More info please!</p>

<p>Hi,
It is 100% true. You can become a Doctor by going to medical school straight from High School in many countries. American Dream Abroad helped us to get into medical schools.
It is a common practice in Asian countries like India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, China etc. No BS or MCAT is needed.
I, myself went to medical school thru this company and becoming a doctor now. I am very glad I did it. Many students went thru them. It is quite possible to become a doctor by going straight from High School to Medical School. We saved so many years. [American</a> Dream Abroad - Realize your dream of becoming a physician.](<a href=“http://www.AmericanDreamAbroad.com%5DAmerican”>http://www.AmericanDreamAbroad.com) sends to many schools and they are all WHO listed and USMLE, Canada, UK recognized.
In fact - if you want further- you can talk to a practising US doctor, who is for eg. from India, Nepal, SriLanka, China etc and ask him/ her. That is how most of them became doctors. Lucky they are.
It is quite possible to practise here in America after going to their schools.
They are all WHO listed and USMLE, Canada etc recognized.
There are thousands of Indian and Chinese doctors, who did that way.
Dont waste your time in US, where you need 9 to 10 years for BS (4 to 6 years) and MCAT prep plus so many requirements like volunteer experience, research experience, recommendation letters from doctors by working in their clinics etc.
You need GPA nearly 4 out of 4, MCAT score of 34 or so to get US medical seat.
(usually average undergrad gets 18 and never gets into medical school.)
In America getting into medical school is a real hassle and most stressful. You dont need to waste your time in stpid BS for 4 to 6 years.
Jump in and take admission from this company, help you and guide you thru to get your visa etc.
Jump in and take your admission into medical school.
That is my sincere advice. We see in US so many foreign doctors from Asia, who r practsing in US like that.</p>

<p>in Europe you go to medical school after high school.</p>

<p>Many doctors, who graduated from these schools are practising in USA already. They are Neurologists, Cardiologista, VA hospital doctors etc.
Some are in residency too. It is true. These are highly reputed univ medical schools in China.</p>

<p>Hi folks,
I went to one of the medical schools of American Dream Abroad.
There are many doctors from those schools practising in US for many many years. Many are doing residency in US hospitals. I talked to some doctors, who are practicing in US for 23, 18 and 12 years. You wont have any problem in coming back to US. The schools have been recognized well in US, Canada and other countries- also WHO listed.
We are happy we saved 4 years atleast and a ton of money by going to these schools.
Of course we have to take USMLE just like any Medical student including the US medical students. US never allows even the American medical students to get into residency without taking USMLE. No one can prevent you from taking USMLE and coming to US.</p>

<p>Well, what you might learn going to school in the US from what you call “all those useless classes” would be things like spelling words like “practicing” not “practiSing”. I for one appreciate a US doctor who had not only gone to med school but can also communicate, spell words correctly and may have learned a few other things to give them a well rounded education. They can then write well and have the ability communicate with a variety of people from many walks of life.</p>

<p>Inquiringmind2, you could stand a little global education yourself. Practise is an appropriate spelling in Britain or Canada. I’m not saying if the poster is correct or incorrect in their opinion… just that you are showing yourself as a bit ethnocentric in your criticism.</p>

<p>Hey. Here is some FUN. </p>

<p>1) both the words ‘PractiSe’ (Indian, British English) & ‘PractiCe’ (American English) are used and accepted in different countries.</p>

<p>2) Similarly – Studying medicine in Indian way (by getting into medical school after high school or 12th grade) and American way (after college) both are there and these medical degrees are accepted (whichever way you do) in all the countries including US, Canada, India, UK, Australia, NZ, China etc.</p>

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<p>PractiSe is a verbal form in British & Indian English- is also right. PractiCe is a noun there.
PractiCe in America is used as a verb and a noun both.</p>

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<p>Our friend Inquringmind2 (I am sure 100% - he/ she must be an American)- is bringing out a fact here.

  • that most of the Americans do not know much about the outside world.- (except very few knowledgeable Americans)- They know only their way and naturally think their way is the only (correct) way. (which is NOT true- proved in many ways.) - (Do not mistake me- I am in America and I love this beautiful country and these good people. That is why I know these.)</p>

<p>Medicine can be done in different ways in different countries-
(i.e) by entering into medical school after high school (like in India or China etc.) or after college (like in USA.) </p>

<p>Which is the better way is another question… much can be said on both sides.</p>

<p>– BUT on the whole – Medicine done in both ways are ACCEPTABLE in US & Canada, if you want that.
I went thru (“through”- in Indian/ British English, huh!) the doctors of American Dream Abroad, by the way. I am happy I have done this way.</p>

<p>2010</p>

<p>To Whom It May Concern:</p>

<p>This letter is in regards to a trip that I had made to Harbin Medical University in Harbin, Heilongjiang, China in 2010, to complete my medical education as an international student, in the 6 year English medium program. </p>

<p>As soon as I arrived in the Taiping Airport in Harbin, China, it was impossible for me to believe that this is how China is. The airport was very dirty, filthy, very dusty outside, everybody was spitting, very dirty bathrooms, and just impossible to believe that this is how China runs its local airports. In addition, nobody at the airport knew a single word of English. One of HMU’s staff (my contact person) Elva, came and picked me up from the airport. My first impression of her was totally different than what I had expected from back home. She was very rude, impatient, had an angry face, not happy to see us or our luggage, and I felt that she thought that we were wasting her time. When I was loading my luggage, her response was that “I have never seen any student bring that many suitcases before”. The driver of the car had very bad personal hygiene, strong body odor, was continuously smoking, spitting, and was closing one nostril with his finger, and using all his breath/force to take out the liquid/contents from his nose; it was not just him, but the others were also doing the same as well, and there was not a drop of water to wash their hands! </p>

<p>Anyhow, I sat with the driver for about 45 minutes to take me to HMU, and basically got a tour of China at the same time. Let me tell you, it is not what we, as Americans, expect of China. China was just very dirty, dusty, filthy, had too many people (too crowded), there was no driving regulations, there was bumper to bumper, poverty, the drivers were using their car horns non-stop (for no reason), no cleanliness, and even when driving on the major streets, thousands of people were crossing at the same time. My heart was beating so fast, every second, because I seriously thought that he was going to hit somebody. In addition, I had also noticed that you will never hear the word sorry and please within the Chinese people. </p>

<p>Eventually, I arrived to HMU and to the dorms (imagine the dorm building/all of HMU’s buildings being about 60 + years old, with no maintenance). The driver and Elva dropped my luggage in front of the dorm building, and the driver eventually left. Elva stayed for about few more minutes extra so she can show me what room I was going to be in. During that time, she was constantly saying that she was just too tired because she spent too much time at the airport, and with me. At that time, I did not have any of the Chinese currency to pay for the extra taxi due to my luggage, which was 150 RMB. After a few days, we did pay Elva back. Ultimately, there were a couple of young male foreign students who came and helped me to take my stuff into my dorm room. My dorm room was going to be located on the first floor of the building, so Elva had only a few rooms to show me. All the rooms had cement floors, they were dirty and dusty, they had a strong odor, there was mold on all the walls, black spider webs all over the room, humid, the paint was rubbing off on my clothes (it was as if they painted white powder on the walls and the floor), and the room size was 3 meters by 5 meters. The beds (metal bunk beds-child size) were practically metal bars welded together to make a bed. The dirty green two inch mattress, which was in my room, was on top of a 1/2 inch piece of rough plywood. Finally, they gave a room that had the same conditions as I had stated above, except mine had a big cement lid (3 feet by 3 feet) in the corner of my room. I had asked Elva what that was, and she said that she did not know, but it is possible connected with this dormitory’s sewer system, hence the strong odor in my room/total dormitory building. Also, the dorm rooms did not have good internet connections and during the time of about 12 a.m. to about 6 a.m., they would shut off the electricity in the whole entire dormitory building. The kitchen and shower would only be open according HMU’s scheduled time, which would usually be about a couple of hours in the morning and in the evening (these timings are the same for the hot water as well).</p>

<p>Honestly, at that time, I was ready to go back home because the conditions were so bad. Before coming, they had shown pictures of the international dorm building (where the foreign students are supposed to be living), but when I had asked them for that, they said that that building is under construction and will eventually be ready in about 2-5 years. When I had told Elva of my concern of the dorm building, all she had said was that everybody is fine, what’s your problem? At that point, I was very shocked and ready to leave that same day. However, I felt that it was too dangerous to leave at that time, so I had stayed there for the weekend because all of the offices were closed. When Monday had come, I went to the International office to voice my concerns and maybe complete the rest of the admission process. Eventually, the President, Elva, and another contact person named Eric, came to see the living conditions and my concerns; they had said that they’ll try to do the cleaning as soon as they can. Mr. Eric also made a very clear statement saying that “the people of the USA are very hard to handle and adjust”!</p>

<p>When the cleaning ladies had come, their method of cleaning was very shocking to me. They clean the toilets with no cleaning supplies, using their own bare hands to clean the toilet bowls, sink, and counter-tops with the same toilet water. Eventually, they go with the same toilet water hands to the men’s rooms and kitchen. The men’s room practically is connected with the ladies’ room and they have no door for the men. In addition, the one thing that I have noticed in Harbin is that they have absolutely no soap, no paper products, no cleaning supplies, and they do not supply paper products/soap in the public restrooms. I had noticed this in McDonalds, KFC, Wal-Mart, and even in the banks (when looking at these places, it puts the US based companies down). In McDonalds and in KFC, there are usually about 200 people eating in a very congested area, and with only 2 toilets, one for the men and the other for the ladies, of which the toilets are floor toilets (you have to squat down, they have these types of toilets in all the places that I went to). In addition, inside HMU’s cafeterias and hospitals, they constantly supply the students with alcohol, and is available for about US 55 cents. </p>

<p>After all that, I still started my classes because I was missing class time. Most of the teachers speak very little in English, and hence mostly teach through power points. The teachers were okay, but honestly there was a big communication problem due to the fact that some of the teachers were not too good in English. Since I knew that I was not/should not expect the lifestyle I have in the United States, I tried to adjust with the living and hygienic conditions, and the food. Personally, the food is not that great mainly because of the conditions in where they keep it. Outside of the University, there are many, many local venders (practically like a dirty and nasty swap meet) on the street, in which you can buy things on a daily basis (it seems as if they do not stock up on things). While at the same time (inside and outside of all the buildings), everybody is spitting, coughing, smoking in front of your face, and basically have bad personal hygiene practices; I saw many people, who look like professionals, picking their nose and eating their contents! I had been told by many students that the Chinese only take a shower about once a week (I think it is because there are just too many people there). The bathrooms and showers in all of the Harbin Medical University are just too nasty, smelly, full of germs, no regulations, no privacy, too many people taking a shower at the same time, and is just too impossible for me to explain it in general. </p>

<p>After being there for days, I had started to research on the accreditation of HMU (something that I should have done before I left, it was a major mistake on my side). When I would question the international office (Ms. Lemon, Elva, and Eric) as to whether American students are able to come back to the USA and practice, they would always avoid this topic; hence I got really suspicious about this. After doing some hard core researching for a few days, I had finally found out that HMU is not accredited in the state of California for the 6 year English Program. I was very disappointed because HMU has been advertising in the wrong way for Californian students. After founding out about this through the hard way and looking through the horrible and disgusting conditions of the teaching hospitals, I had decided to leave immediately. When I was about to leave in the morning around 7:50 a.m., Eric and Elva knocked on my door very hard and gave me a very hard time (emotionally, physically, and financially). They were by the dorm building’s main door, in front of everybody, yelling, rude, short, angry, and spitting and smoking at the same time. In addition, they kept speaking in Chinese in front of me, of whom the security guard, the dorm keeper, and other staff were all there and listening. At that moment, I finally found out through the other students that they would absolutely not let me go until I pay a body check fee of 625 RMB (as of today, I still do not know what that means), of which I did not have at that time. I offered them a check, US dollars, travelers’ checks, but they only wanted cash in RMB. Eric and Elva also said that if I do not pay right now they will not let me leave, no matter what, and we will arrest you. Another student also had said that they had already closed the main gate of the school, so I cannot leave. During that same time, a very nice and generous student had come and gave me 625 RMB, so I can give it to Elva and Eric. Once I gave them the money, they were still very rude, angry, short, irritated, heated, hateful, and eventually made a phone call to the dorm lady to tell them to let me leave. This experience is one of many from this trip, of which I learned it through the hard way and in an expensive way!</p>

<p>In conclusion, my life was in so much danger, that I cannot explain it. I left most of my belongings in my dorm room, and took whatever I could and went to the airport about 5 hours early. In the end, I am encouraging the students of the US and families to please do take my experiences very seriously, and think before you make a major decision like I did. </p>

<p>Sincerely,</p>

<p>Resident of Southern California, USA</p>

<p>P.S.-This is my opinion of China…However, if you really want to become a good doctor and work in the United States, I will not encourage anyone to go to China to receive an education there because their standards are just so low. As for American High School Graduates, you can get admission into this school with practically like a C- in every subject…I have also heard about American Dream Abroad, is it a risk to take?..Think twice.</p>

<p>gs1529,
American Dream Abroad (ADA) never sent any student to Harbin Medical University.
So that university is irrelevant to ADA. ADA has no relation or association with that university.
Bringning your Harbin here is not right.</p>

<p>gs1529,
You went to some university on your own- not knowing that is a bad one. That is proved you should have gone thru responsible and reliable companies of doctors (like ADA).</p>

<p>If you have C in the courses - that is your problem.
It is NOT a problem of Medical School or any one, right ?
Why blaming some one else ?</p>

<p>“Useless classes” for medicine are PreCalculus, Calculus, History, Geography, Creative writing, Speech etc taught in US undergrad- BS. Totally irrelevant to medicine because you do NOT do math when a patient comes to you, after you become a doctor.
You and your patient neither write poetry together nor give speeches.
BS is B… S…for medicine.</p>

<p>Hi gs 1529,
I am sorry you had very bad experience at Harbin Univ and we agree and sympathize with you- you met with a bad lady and had a bad experience of bad housing. Any one will agree with that. You said in your post you saw an advertisement by Harbin Medical Univ and you went by that. It seems you went on your own after seeing the advertisement of Harbin Univ (from what you wrote) without knowing which Medical School or Univ to go to, which ones are good ones and which ones are bad ones. It seems you were not guided by any one. That is where a consultant company plays a role. That is why we think, any one, who wants to go to a new school or univ in a new country should be guided by a knowledgeable consultant company. You said in your note that you heard about American Dream Abroad. You heard. So you did NOT go through them. American Dream Abroad (ADA) is a company of doctors in USA, sends their students to only meritorious medical schools and long established government universities. ADA is a company of doctors and they would NOT send students to bad medical schools. They send them to only good schools, which are well recognized by WHO, USMLE, Medical Council of Canada (MCC), PLAB of UK, British Medical Council, Indian Medical Council, Australian Medical Councils, which have good housing and facilities and teach in English medium in an “International class”.
These International classes have students from all other different countries in the world. There are NO Chinese students in the class. They have separate classes. The Chinese students do NOT study in the same class. no. no way.
The graduated students of schools of ADA are doing rotations in US and UK hospitals. Their graduate doctors are practicing in US, Canada, UK, Australia etc.
ADA arranged admissions in a medical school, which has annexed a 4 STAR hotel with very neat and excellent facilities for housing for international students. You did NOT go through ADA.
We believe it is NOT proper to comment on ADA, which has NO RELEVANCE to Harbin University or your experience. ADA NEVER had affiliation with or sent their students to Harbin.
gs 1529, wish you good luck in whatever you do and hope you 'll have good experiences and a good future. All the best.</p>

<p>I am considering ADA in future. Did you get your money back from the college after leaving???</p>

<p>I live in Guyana, I graduated at a Canadian High School. Now I want to further study in the US. Where are some of the Med schools located in the US?</p>

<p>Dear sir/madam,
I am a Nepalese student of twelth grader. I am studying science(biology) in St.Xavier’s college, maitighar, Kathmandu, Nepal. I want to pursue my study in medical field. So, could you please mind searching me a medical college for MBBS(english) providing scholarships 100% if possible.
Looking forward for hearing from you soon.
Thankyou,
itsonay</p>

<p>See below the following post seen some where on the web. I thought this is very interesting. See August 2010 issue of “Health Affairs” journal of FAIMER.</p>

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<p>Originally Posted by Janetdole
FAIMER (Federation of Accreditation of International Medical Education & Research) conclusively proved that
FOREIGN studied doctors are FAR BETTER than US studied doctors.</p>

<p>This was published in the AUGUST 2010 issue of “Health Affairs”, the journal of FAIMER, an international organization (like WHO).
Please refer. You too can see.</p>

<p>They compared the death rate in ~250,000 American patients for many years treated by 3 groups of doctors.</p>

<ol>
<li>Foreign born and Foreign studied doctors</li>
<li>US born and US studied doctors</li>
<li>US born and Foreign (until now mostly Caribbean Med School) studied doctors.
They got surprising results.</li>
</ol>

<p>The DEATH RATE is the LOWEST in the patients treated by the FOREIGN (India, China etc) educated doctors.
The death rate in patients treated by FOREIGN DOCTORS is 9% LOWER when compared to the death rate in patients treated by the US born and US educated doctors !</p>

<p>The death rate in patients treated by Foreign doctors is less by 15% when compared to the death rate in the patients treated by US born + foreign (mostly Caribbean) educated doctors !!!</p>

<p>So it conclusively proved that FOREIGN doctors are far BETTER than US studied doctors and even more better than Caribbean studied doctors.</p>

<p>So if you fall ill better go to a FOREIGN DOCTOR than to an American doctor and never to a Caribbean doctor, if you want to live on earth for some time.
The reasons you can imagine easily

  1. Foreign doctors have MORE HANDS EXPERIENCE than the US educated as they can see more (~20) patients every day.
  2. Due to the liability issue- US medical students see less (~2) patients.
  3. So foreign med students get more clinical knowledge.
  4. Foreign med students see more and different kinds of infectious diseases.
  5. Foreign med students see more parasitic diseases.
  6. Foreign med students see more under nutrition disorders.
  7. Foreign doctors spend more (5 to 6) years in MEDICAL school than American (4 years) and Caribbean (3 to 4 years) doctors. American students kill their time in regular BS (Bull S…) learning stupid PreCalculus, History, Geography, Speech, plants, animals, Creative writing etc… non sense & irrelevant (to Medicine.)
  8. The most populous countries are in Asia (India, China etc), So ample opportunity for plenty of hands on experience.
  9. The competition for Govt Medical Schools in Asia (India and China) is very high when compared to that in US.
    For eg. I came to know that 300,000 students compete in the entrance exam (like our MCAT) for 2100 seats in one state in India. You can find out. So naturally those Foreign doctors are more intelligent and hard working than our US doctors.</p>

<p>When you/ your loved ones fall sick – go to a FOREIGN doctor in US.
Save your/ your loved one’s life !</p>

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<p>This above post some one posted is Sooooooo TRUE.
Thank God. We went to foreign Medical Schools thru ADA – (American Dream Abroad . com) at the correct time and are in the right place. We saved money and time. We did not take that stupid killing MCAT. We spend more time in Medicine not in non medical courses. So we 'll be better doctors. That’s great.
The international Organization (like WHO) on International Medical Education – FAIMER proved that foreign doctors are better than US doctors by showing the death rates of patients treated by all these doctors…</p>

<p>hi … can any 1 help me am realy lost my friend every time i hear there are schoolarship for forigen student so i want to study in usa but i dont how to do … ? ples any 1 help me to know the way to application to universty … thanx</p>

<p>I know this is an older thread, but I wanted to post that it is very disappointing that representatives of these programs sit on threads like these and pimp them out with seeming twisted facts when it is clear there are serious problems with these programs.</p>

<p>If you want to practice medicine, law or other specialized fields in a country go study in that country instead. Don’t listen to these obvious shysters trying to talk you into going to a country outside of America to study to learn IN America.</p>

<p>The programs are University Medical Schools well recognized all over the world. Many of them are Government Universities.
One can always check with WHO or US-MLE or ECFMG of America.
For eg. We see 100,000 Indian doctors practicing in USA and they studied in India or China. Other foreign doctors are also there. What is wrong in studying in Asia or some where else? Nearly 30% of foreign doctors are of Indian origin. The American Health system will collapse without foreign doctors. No one is asking some one to go some other country if they get in their own country.</p>

<p>The Indian and Chinese programs of American Dream Abroad including our China school are University Medical Schools and are well recognized all over the world. Many of them are Government Universities. They made us eligible to take USMLE. We can practice in USA.
One can always check with WHO or ECFMG of America.
For eg. According to statistics there are ~100,000 Indian doctors practicing in USA and they studied in India or China etc. We see them in every city of USA. So many doctors from other foreign countries are also there. What is wrong in studying in Asia or in some other country? Johnny has to reconsider his thoughts. 50% of doctors in America have studied in foreign countries. Nearly 30% of foreign doctors are of Indian origin in USA. The American Health system will collapse in a single day without the foreign doctors.</p>