<p>i can’t believe this thread went on for 6 pages.
dude… I think you are a sad individual.
We all know you are going to choose Cornell, you’ve been *****in about it since you got deferred.
if your brain got you into cornell, i don’t understand how you can be “torn” between such a ridiculous no-brainer.</p>
<p>thread, please die.</p>
<p>Doby: I’m not going to even write a letter to Penn, I think my options are good enough :)</p>
<p>fresher: What a lovely individual you are.</p>
<p>Well to be fair, Chandlerbing didn’t create this thread and I have a friend in the same situation as chandlerbing even though he was deferred from Cornell but I think is going to pick Cornell because the science program is so strong. I also am picking between cornell and an LAC (Amherst) so I understand how you feel. I also am picking Cornell because of the strong science program. Good luck with your final decision!!!</p>
<p>Okay. I agree that comments about suicide and Cornell are ridiculous. I have a kid at Williams and I will say that Cornell’s campus is every bit as beautiful. Standing over the falls in the middle of campus is spectacular.</p>
<p>The format of the threat, the open letter extolling the virtue of one school above another, unfortunately raises defensiveness.</p>
<p>I think Williams science program can go toe-to-toe with Cornell’s for an undergrad.</p>
<p>The decision should be, as Chandler says, which feels like a home, an exciting research uni or a lovely and somewhat cozy LAC. Opinions will vary. They are both schools that one should be proud to attend.</p>
<p>Well said, mythmom.</p>
<p>The strength of the science program is not going to sway me one way or the other: both schools offer amazing science.</p>
<p>It’s going to come down to fit, really. Though Williams foreign language doesn’t seem to that strong while Cornell’s is. However, languages are something I’ll be taking for fun, and science/pre-med requirements are what I’ll be taking to further my career as a student/prospective med student.
The whole LAC vs. research uni choice is a hard one, though Williams definitely has research opportunities and Cornell can definitely have the small college feel within Human Ecology.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry. If you actually read the letter I wrote, I did not extol the virtues of one school over another. I had nothing but wonderful things to say about Williams. I simply discussed the most distinguishing features about Cornell.</p>
<p>And nothing I said should certainly have elicited negative comments about Cornell.</p>
<p>Well, trying to convince someone to attend one school over another is going to bring out the worst in some posters. You know that. Cornell is of course, wonderful, but your thread (so sorry I wrote threat, I hope that wasn’t a Freudian slip) had an agenda. You have a right to that agenda, surely, but that’s what posters reacted to.</p>
<p>I am not suggesting that it wasn’t immature to do so. It was.</p>
<p>By the way, I love Cornell. I am so glad that you do too and that you’re having a great experience.</p>
<p>CayugaRed’s initial ‘open letter’ was nothing but a well thought out and good natured nod to ChandlerBing, who before being deferred ED wanted nothing more than to attend Cornell. </p>
<p>Cayuga never wrote negatively about Williams. He actually praised both schools for their different types of assets. Right in his third sentence he wrote:</p>
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<p>…and then he went on to highly praise Williams in remarkably glowing terms for a proponent of Cornell, after which he spoke of some of the wonderful attributes of his own alma mater. His only “agenda” was to wish Chandler well in his fortunate collegiate decision making.</p>
<p>Also, the way in which Chandler wrote his many posts were (and are) good natured and intelligent — and they usually have the air of a very genuine human being. So, it is quite natural that many supporters of Cornell would simply root for him to choose well. This is how I, for one, understand Cayuga’s remarkably congenial open letter.</p>
<p>Cayuga’s remarkably congenial open letter is necessarily slanted toward Cornell. Especially the concluding paragraphs.</p>
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<p>It can’t be helped. It is Cornell after all.</p>
<p>@ IHATECEREAL </p>
<p>Just curious, which college do you attend?</p>
<p>Colm: Thank you for that reasonable, insightful post.</p>
<p>Cayuga had nothing but good intentions, and I appreciate them deeply.</p>
<p>And, on a small tangent, way to copy my location, PKW! </p>
<p>All of you awesome CC people have helped me through this process immensely, whether it has been with useful tidbits of information, a few words of encouragement, or valuable answers to tough/urgent questions. Thanks to you all!</p>
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<p>Seriously? That’s slanted towards Cornell?</p>
<p>For a lot of students who don’t want to face the possibility of being overwhelmed in college, it’s clear that Williams would be the better option.</p>
<p>Haha, I’m pretty sure you can get overwhelmed by college by going to either school. The academics at both are extremely rigorous, and that’s definitely the most overwhelming aspect of college other than being away from home, which I’ll be no matter where I choose to go.
But I’m so ready to face some challenges… I’m beyond sick and tired of high school.</p>
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<p>Cayuga, as you intended, you portrayed Williams in a certain light and Cornell in another. The former was anything but favorable. Yes, you do throw in niceties about academics and the like-- and these make your agrument sound reasonable. But then… you make incredibly widesweeping and unsubstantiated claims Do you really think that you will get to know everyone on campus-- 2000+ (not counting graduating seniors and incoming freshman) in just 2 years??? Right now, I’m a senior in a highschool of 750 students, and I don’t know half of them.</p>
<p>Before I go any further, I would like to apologize about my (admittedly distasteful) joke; I didn’t realize that it would upset you.</p>
<p>But, I can’t continue to be nice to you; I know that you will continue to deny that there is any partisanship in your letter, but you are and will continue to be wrong! Your letter was a clever way of forming an argument, but it is an argument nonethless. With every sentence, you imply that Williams College is a place that “coddles.” You state:</p>
<p>"For a lot of students who don’t want to face the possibility of being overwhelmed in college, it’s clear that Williams would be the better option. "</p>
<p>– yes, because Williams College is easy. Don’t you see the way you are setting things up? You have made a false dichotomy-- on the one side is Williams, on the other Cornell! Williams will be easy; you will be trapped by the mountains; by the time senior year comes, you’ll hate it! But Cornell! Cornell is not for the faint of heart! If you want a challenge! If you want to learn! If you want to be the best that you can be! </p>
<p>COME TO CORNELL!!1!!!11!!!</p>
<p>this is a weak argument for cornell, but i saw somewhere that williams’ applications went down something like 20% this year, and cornell’s acceptane rate went sub-20%! 17.2% for RD, which you essentially are! doesn’t that make you feel awesome & want to come?</p>
<p>a better argument for cornell, well, just read/watch some harry potter and then make your choice =] lol</p>
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<p>I doubt very much that CayugaRed would deny being a Cornell “partisan.” He has no interest in trying to hide the fact that he is a Cornellian. What he would perhaps deny is being incapable of recognizing that people have different preferences, and that Williams, being a great LAC, may be the right choice for some individuals.</p>
<p>As has been said, there are strengths and weaknesses to both schools, although in the case of either institution the strengths are the formidable preponderance of the balance sheet. My guess is that Cayuga sincerely meant it when he stated that there were no game-breaking drawbacks to either school, despite the fact that Cornell would undoubtedly, and understandably, be Cayuga’s preference as a proud Cornell alum. He is, after all, writing in the Cornell University forum.</p>
<p>@ shalala: Yes, it does make me feel awesome! But acceptance rates is not what it comes down to… just because Williams was slightly less selective due to a smaller applicant pool this year doesn’t mean it’s a worse school, and doesn’t mean its Class of 2013 will be any weaker. </p>
<p>I don’t think Cayuga’s letter was equal to both sides, but why should it be? He’s supporting Cornell, and for a pro-Cornell argument, it was very generous towards the other side.
The only people who are posting unfairly are those who say things like “Williams is WAY better, don’t even think about Cornell” or “***? This kid obviously is going to Cornell since it’s so much better”.</p>
<p>I think I’m driving both myself and CC crazy with my decision ;)</p>
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<p>I never said you would know everybody – I said that you would “know of” everybody on campus. And this claim comes from my friends who have attended Williams themselves.</p>
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<p>You are putting words into my mouth were there were none. I never said or suggested that Williams would be easy. I suggested that Williams could be a potentially less confusing and disorienting place as a result of its relative homogeneity. The possibility of becoming “lost” on Cornell’s campus is much higher relative to Williams.</p>
<p>And the idea that my open letter to Chandler wasn’t an argument for Cornell is absurd. Of course it was. But to suggest that I painted Williams in an “anything but a favorable” light is absurd.</p>
<p>The dichotomy is not false. Cornell and Williams are two very different institutions. That was the point of my letter.</p>
<p>Talk about suicide. Just go to UPenn…good chance of being robbed or killed.
There is a reason it is called Killadelphia.</p>
<p>CrimeStats<br>
April 7, 2009, Volume 55, No. 28 Print Issue </p>
<p>The University of Pennsylvania Police Department Community Crime Report </p>
<p>About the Crime Report: Below are all Crimes Against Persons and Crimes Against Society from the campus report for March 23-29, 2009. Also reported were 14 crimes against property (including 11 thefts, 2 acts of vandalism and 1 case of fraud). View prior weeks reports. —Ed.</p>
<p>This summary is prepared by the Division of Public Safety and includes all criminal incidents reported and made known to the University Police Department between the dates of March 23-29, 2009 The University Police actively patrol from Market Street to Baltimore Avenue and from the Schuylkill River to 43rd Street in conjunction with the Philadelphia Police. In this effort to provide you with a thorough and accurate report on public safety concerns, we hope that your increased awareness will lessen the opportunity for crime. For any concerns or suggestions regarding this report, please call the Division of Public Safety at (215) 898-4482.</p>
<p>03/23/09
2:01 AM
40th & Baltimore Ave
Robbery
Complainant assaulted/bike taken</p>
<p>03/23/09
12:24 PM
3800 Locust St
Sex Offense
Confidential</p>
<p>03/23/09
3:18 PM
3701 Walnut St
Theft
Items taken by unknown female</p>
<p>03/25/09
1:27 AM
4000 Spruce St
Robbery
Female robbed by unknown male</p>
<p>03/25/09
9:00 AM
3400 Walnut St
Narcotic
Male in possession of narcotics/Arrest</p>
<p>03/25/09
10:35 AM
41st & Ludlow St
Vandalism
Passenger window to auto broken</p>
<p>03/25/09
12:53 PM
51N 39th St
Theft
Computer taken from room</p>
<p>03/25/09
2:19 PM
3409 Walnut St
Fraud
Unauthorized charge made on card</p>
<p>03/25/09
9:35 PM
100 41st St
Theft
Registration sticker cut from license plate</p>
<p>03/25/09
10:57 PM
3700 Locust St
Theft
Unsecured bike taken</p>
<p>03/26/09
2:26 AM
40th & Locust St
Other Offense
Male cited for public urination</p>
<p>03/26/09
9:58 AM
3900 Walnut St
Vandalism
Window broken to auto</p>
<p>03/26/09
4:14 PM
200 38th St
Sex Offense
Complainant reported unknown male exposed himself</p>
<p>03/26/09
5:53 PM
3401 Walnut St
Theft
Wallet removed from purse</p>
<p>03/26/09
7:11 PM
212 S 40th St
Theft
Merchandise taken without payment</p>
<p>03/26/09
8:43 PM
4100 Ludlow St
Robbery
Complainant robbed by unknown males</p>
<p>03/27/09
3:19 PM
4101 Spruce St
Theft
Laptop removed from apartment</p>
<p>03/28/09
1:34 AM
4012 Walnut St
Theft
Unknown items taken</p>
<p>03/28/09
9:48 AM
3925 Walnut St
Theft
Merchandise taken without payment/Arrest</p>
<p>03/28/09
2:03 PM
3900 Baltimore Ave
Theft
Property taken from vehicle</p>
<p>03/28/09
3:57 PM
3925 Walnut St
Theft
Merchandise taken without payment/Arrest</p>
<p>03/29/09
12:47 AM
4000 Locust St
Other Offense
Male issued citation for public urination</p>
<p>03/29/09
1:42 AM
318 S 40th St
Assault
Complainant assaulted/Arrest</p>
<p>18th District Report</p>
<p>9 incidents with 3 arrests (including 6 robberies 2 aggravated assaults and 1 rape) were reported between March 23-29, 2009 by the 18th District covering the Schuylkill River to 49th St. & Market St. to Woodland Ave.</p>
<p>03/23/09
2:09 AM
4700 Warrington Avenue
Robbery</p>
<p>03/23/09
2:30 AM
3800 Locust Walk *
Rape</p>
<p>03/23/09
3:31 AM
4000 Baltimore Avenue
Robbery</p>
<p>03/25/09
11:30 PM
4006 Spruce St
Robbery</p>
<p>03/26/09
7:15 PM
4100 Ludlow St
Robbery</p>
<p>03/26/09
8:30 PM
300 49th Street
Robbery/Arrest</p>
<p>03/28/09
8:15 PM
1229 49th Street
Robbery/Arrest</p>
<p>03/29/09
1:37 AM
318 40th Street
Aggravated Assault/Arrest</p>
<p>03/29/09
6:10 PM
4628 Woodland Avenue
Aggravated Assault</p>
<ul>
<li>Incident reported on 3/23/09 – occurred in 2006.</li>
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<p>Almanac - April 7, 2009, Volume 55, No. 28</p>