<p>Maybe it's her personal business.</p>
<p>.-_-.</p>
<p>But there is a simple solution: if you are against abortions, dont' get one! But to have the nerve to think you get to choose the path for everyone else is stubborn. </p>
<p>We can teach sex education all you want, that isn't gonna revolutionize how people percieve sex. </p>
<p>Stop harassing those who feel abortions are alright. Stop harassing those who feel abortions are immoral. But let people have the RIGHT to choose their own options!</p>
<p>well said smallz3141!! :)</p>
<p>I think the OP purposely used the thread topic line as a slam on pro-lifers, just to get us arguing about an issue that's been controversial for decades. Seriously, I think the topic line is very antagonistic and instead of having an intellectual debate about it, we are harassing each other.</p>
<p>smallz: sex education may not change how people perceive sex, but that's not it's purpose. It's to change how people have sex. Sex education is meant to empower individuals (men and women alike) to make the most appropriate birth control decision for their personal situation with scientifically accurate information. And that can have a huge impact on the number of pregnancies and STD transmission rates.</p>
<p>Thankfully, well over half -- about 70% -- of the pro-life movement in North America is comprised of women. The president of the extremely vibrant Students For Life group at my university is a woman, as are almost every one of the group's execs. Whenever some psychopathic feminazi tells me that I'm not allowed to express my opposition to the genocide of unborn children because I'm a man, I simply call one of them over and say "OK, here's a woman for you!" Takes care of that pretty easily.</p>
<p>Do not get me started on how wrong abortion is. My friend had an abortion and no matter what my best friend and I said she still got it, she had her "personal" reasons. You know I really can't tell somebody what to do and what not to do, I can simply just give my opinion. My advice is if you are "mature" enough to have unprotected sex then you should be mature enough to take care of the outcome of it. Seriously, I feel sorry for the innocent child that has to suffer from abortion and I don't care if people say it technically isn't born; a child is a gift from God as soon as the embryo exists.</p>
<p>Amen, sister.</p>
<p>"first off, I'm a conservative and if whoever calls conservatives "conservative filth" has to be an angry, raging liberal. I'm actually laughing at that phrase because whenever uneducated people who declare themselves as liberal or Dem are challenged, they can only resort to namecalling and not present any facts."</p>
<p>Smurfette, I actually cringed at the use of that term -- and I'm a liberal. Unfortunately, you don't have to be an "uneducated" or "challenged" liberal to engage in unsubstantiated, partisan name-calling. For instance, Ann Coulter holds a law degree, but seems quite adept at name-calling. Given your post, I certainly hope that you cringe when you read some of her columns.</p>
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<p>I think you're missing the point. I am not for abortions. I am for the basic human rights that a woman has the right to make decesions about her body, and not let government legislate it. If you look at sex ed programs realistically, and ideologically as you hope to, you realize that these programs don't (and won't in the future) make a giant stride in "impact on the number of pregnancies and STD transmission rates"</p>
<p>"I am for the basic human rights that a woman has the right to make decesions about her body, and not let government legislate it."</p>
<p>I agree with you on that smallz. I must, however, point out that virtually everyone -- from bishops in New York to executive directors of pro-choice PACs to public health officials -- agree that comprehensive sex education about and access to <em>preventive</em> methods of birth control are appropriate and highly effective ways of limiting the amount of pregnancies and rate of STD/STI transmissions. Birth control, sex ed, and abortion all go hand-in-hand. </p>
<p>Would you care to clarify your point, since I seem to be missing it? Or perhaps, clarify just how scientifically-accurate sex education represents an "ideological" view?</p>
<p>I agree with Smallz. Many of us who support the right of the unborn, and I am one of them, do so out of religious conviction. What if one doesn't believe? Some of us are pro-lifers" because we believe that taking a life is immoral. The problem with this argument is that although it has not been proven that a fetus is not a life in the first trimester, most biologists do not classify a fetus as a life during that cycle. Finally, I have heard some people argue that if a person gets pregnant, they should bite the bullet and have the child...to own up to their mistake. I don't get that argument whatsover. We all make mistakes. Bottom line, how can one person tell another what to do based on opinion...and folks, it IS an opinion. Now, I can see myself urging another when the topic is a restaurant, a movie or going to the beach. But when it comes to bringing a person into the world...one that is going to require all the attention necessary to survive and thrive, I think it wisest to shelve our persona opinions and move to a more practical domain.</p>
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<p>i am not sure anybody opposes this.</p>
<p>okay, what about Teddy Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and countless other Dems who constantly attack conservatives? Why do you assume for a fact that only conservatives resort to name calling?</p>
<p>The only Dems I've witnessed not actually attack conservatives are the now retired senator Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.</p>
<p>And I hope you cringe at the statements your party chairman constantly says about the Republican Party because they're very outlandish.</p>
<p><em>Do not get me started on how wrong abortion is. My friend had an abortion and no matter what my best friend and I said she still got it, she had her "personal" reasons. You know I really can't tell somebody what to do and what not to do, I can simply just give my opinion. My advice is if you are "mature" enough to have unprotected sex then you should be mature enough to take care of the outcome of it. Seriously, I feel sorry for the innocent child that has to suffer from abortion and I don't care if people say it technically isn't born; a child is a gift from God as soon as the embryo exists.</em></p>
<p>Agreed. I'm "pro-choice" alright. Choose not to have sex if you don't want a kid! </p>
<p>The real issue here isn't rape victims or cases where the mothers life is in danger, because even "The President Dems Loathe" agrees that abortion is okay in those cases, but the main problem with abortion includes irresponsible women who went out and fooled around with some random person and now want to cover up for their mistakes. </p>
<p>So nobody here has any feelings on Roe V. Wade for Men? Not even those ardent supporters of the original Roe V. Wade?</p>
<p>So once a woman makes one mistake she automatically has to pay for it for the rest of her life? Come on people, whatever happened to second chances, helping others, and letting people run their own lives? </p>
<p>You are arguing that the government should rule over a people's personal lives. The people are suppose to rule the government, not the other way around.</p>
<p>Some posters are assuming the only unwanted pregnancies are those of permiscuous teens. The reality is that there are many unwanted pregnancies that happen when people are married. What if you have four kids and you get pregnant with your 5th? You know you can't really even afford the ones you have. Is it irresponsible to have sex with your spouse knowing you could possibly get pregnant? Which is more irresponsible? What if you are married and your career is just getting started. You worked hard to get the job you have only to find out that you are pregnant. My point is you need to see the many different faces that are connected with this delimma not just the one that backs up your opinion. Also I challenge any of you to walk into a planned parenthood and see who is actually in there. This may be just me but most of the time I go in there it is middle aged women (some men) not just teenagers.</p>
<p><em>So once a woman makes one mistake she automatically has to pay for it for the rest of her life?</em></p>
<p>Men do. Child support, garnished wages, the works. Which is why Roe V Wade for Men was proposed, unfortnately, it got shot down by some activist judge, but I think that the National Organization for Men are looking to try the case again.</p>
<p>Actually child support is definitely easier to get out of than actually taking care of the child on a daily basis. It is in no way comparable IMO.</p>
<p>"Why do you assume for a fact that only conservatives resort to name calling?"</p>
<p>I never did. I simply pointed out that being an "uneducated" or "challenged" liberal was not a prerequisite for engaging in unsubstantiated, partisan name-calling. Since you do watch CSPAN (of which I am a huge fan as well), I'm sure you're aware that this behavior occurs on both sides of the aisle.</p>
<p>Vail, what kind of wimpy man would not INSIST on partly financing his child's fomative years? The only word to describe a man"s RvW would be deadbeat!</p>