<p>Just what the title said :)</p>
<p>i'm a carolina scholar! (in state)</p>
<p>hey, did you go to the scholar selection weekend?
what'd you think of that?</p>
<p>(I'm a davie, but UNC is my safety...)</p>
<p>Are you guys rising Freshmen? When did you hear that you were selected for your respective scholarships?</p>
<p>yeah I'm a rising freshman. I found out....a while ago, about feb 10?</p>
<p>im an OOS carolina scholar...and fyi my letter's dated 2/7</p>
<p>was the carolina scholars a seperate application?</p>
<p>There is no application for Carolina or Davie scholars. They are selected from admissions pool by admsissions staff based on SAT/GPA grid.</p>
<p>Recently for OOS students SAT cutoff for Davie was I believe 1500 and was either 1530 or 1550 for Carolina. I can't remember specifically.</p>
<p>so if my SAT was above that range, that doesn't mean automatic selection, right?</p>
<p>No. They only award around 25 of these scholarships. The scores put you in the running but then they look more closely at the apps for ECs etc. They have data to support that OOS students on top scholarships ie Robertson, Morehead, Davie, Carolina are more involved as a whole on campus than other groups. This is NOT saying that in-state winners are less involved, just that the OOS people who receive these awards have in recent history been campus leaders such as student body presidents (something like 4 of the last 6) and held major leadership roles at Campus Y etc.</p>
<p>Because of the competition, only the preliminary qualification is formulaic. After that they really dig deep into the applications.</p>
<p>eadad: Just thought I'd add here that the incoming Student Body President for '06-'07, James Alred, is a Morehead Scholar who is from Chapel Hill (attended Chapel Hill High). This year's Student Body President is from Surry County, NC, I believe.</p>
<p>As you know, my daughter is a Robertson Scholar (from in-state), and she is very involved, both on-campus and off. All the Robertsons, and absolutely including those from in-state, are extremely active leaders as well. And I have no doubt this is true for all the other Scholar groups mentioned above, all those from both in-state and out-of-state.</p>
<p>I don't quite understand your statement, nor the need to make it, that "OOS students on top scholarships . . . are more involved . . . " That distinction (between in-state and OOS) seems unnecessary, misleading, and rather irrelevant. All the Scholars in these groups are outstanding students and young people--each and everyone--who, I suspect, have always been active and involved in their schools and in their communities, and that certainly doesn't change when they arrive on the Chapel Hill campus. I would certainly like to think that students do not feel a need to be competitive with one another in following their passions and in fulfilling their dreams and goals. And I will also add that there are many, many ways to be a "campus leader," and they do not all involve holding offices in highly organized programs, such as the student government or Campus Y.</p>
<p>Sorry for the slightly off-topic post, but I felt your comment needed to be addressed.</p>
<p>jack</p>
<p>I thought that I had sufficirently covered my tracks with: "This is NOT saying that in-state winners are less involved...."</p>
<p>What I apparently woefully tried to convey was something that was said to those of us in attendance at a morning session on Day 2 of Explore Carolina after our kids had had their overnite. Most people there were OOS parents. </p>
<p>A representative of admissions got up and discussed why they hold these two special sessions of Explore Carolina. Among the many points that were made was that their recruitment and offering of merit money to top OOS students was based on the fact (and they gave supporting data) that the OOS students who accept these awards are disproportionately more involved on campus and regularly hold top leadership positions. This was Spring of 2004 but at that time they said that something like 4 of the last 6 (or 3/5) student body president had been OOS students, two of the last three or four leaders of Campus Y were also OOS.</p>
<p>Please know, and I thought you knew me better than this, that it is NEVER about instate vs OOS for me.</p>
<p>It's really just numbers and what I was alluding to was that for both OOS and in-state students when they begin to consider them for significant merit money these other factors weigh heavily in their decisons. The fact that less OOS are offered admission makes the competition for those awards even more intense. </p>
<p>No harm, no foul, please!</p>
<p>eadad - I guess I had the same confusion as Jack in reading your posts, because by saying, "the OOS students who accept these awards are disproportionately more involved on campus and regularly hold top leadership positions," it sounds as though you are saying "more involved" than in-state. If that's not what you are saying, I wish you would clarify the "more involved" phrase, as in, more involved than what other group? If you are saying that the OOS students are more involved than the average in-state student, I think you are probably right. The average OOS student has higher stats than the average in-state student, too, so that would be no surprise and probably no source of contention. Are you saying that OOS Morehead/Robertson/Carolina/Davie Scholars are "more involved than" the in-state recipients of those same awards? I would think that OOS and in-state recipients of those awards would be comparably qualified and committed to involvement campus endeavors.</p>
<p>More involved than the average students</p>
<p>eadad - Thanks for clarifying that. My daughter is in-state and has been offered a Carolina Scholars award. She has one other acceptance so far and may well have more come April. On reading your posts, we were wondering whether there is tension between the OOS and in-state Carolina Scholars (and Morehead/Robertson scholars) and whether the in-state recipients are considered somehow less qualified than their OOS counterparts. I hope that's not the case, but if it is, that would certainly be a factor in her decision about where to go.</p>
<p>eadad:<br>
Yes, I can agree with your statement that students who are awarded these scholarships are, most likely, "more involved on campus . . . than other groups." I suspect this is true at most places, where the merit scholarships are those that go deeper (i.e., are not just formula/numbers-based). But, like nceph, I'm still a bit confused by your earlier statement. At any rate, no need to even make a distinction (in-state/ OOS), to my mind. I doubt that distinction is considered among the people making the decisions, except, perhaps, with the Morehead (where fully one half are slated for in-state, and one-half for out-of-state), and with those few others that are separated like that. But, still, I have no idea how those work. Suffice to say, all of these scholarships are highly competitive, no matter what your resident status.</p>
<p>eadad and nceph: Thanks; we cross-posted.
neceph: I'm not a student, but I'm not aware of any tension like that among the groups you mention.</p>
<p>nceph</p>
<p>No tension at all. My son's roommate is a Davie, and his best friends are an in-state and OOS Robertson. He will share a house with one of the Robertsons and several in-state Carolina Scholars next year.</p>
<p>There is absolutely no feeling that ANY scholarship winners are less qualified because they all know how competitive the process is. I have mentioned on CC before that he has many times said that his friends were "all amazing and very smart kids"....he hates to leave and can't wait to get back because his friends are all there....mostly in-staters.</p>
<p>The only thing I have ever heard/read (and that was on CC last year) was that some in-state kids felt that they were far more qualified than some of the kids from their high schools that were also going to UNC and it was off putting to them. I think that some of those same people who were reluctant to attend UNC have since posted about how happy they are and what a great time they are having as well. Once there they realize that UNC is a big enough place that you don't have to be around people from HS unless you want to be....and then classes begin and friendships are formed in mutual classes as well as dorms and other social situations.</p>
<p>There are a lot of extremely bright and talented kids at UNC and they tend to flock together, like minds seeking like minds I guess.</p>
<p>nceph,</p>
<p>My freshman Carolina scholar daughter has developed close relationships with most of the in-state and oos kids (all 30) in the Carolina scholars freshman group this year. They do a number of things together (white water rafting, movies, plays, concerts, speakers, dinners, coffee, etc.) both as sponsored by the university and on their own because they are so alike and interesting. I don't think in-state/oos matters one iota.</p>
<p>Also, because of honors classes and preferred dorm choice as well as common interests the different scholarship groups get to know each other as individuals to a large extent.</p>
<p>eadad, glasshalffull - Thanks for the reassurances. I hadn't thought any in-state/OOS tension would have existed within these groups, but some of the recent comments seemed to suggest that such might exist, so I felt I needed to ask. </p>
<p>I think the Carolina Scholars and honors programs sound very appealing, but whether they'll be appealing enough to my daughter to turn down her other choices (only one other at this point) remains to be seen. I guess she'll have till the end of April to decide. I sure would welcome any thoughts on how others made the decision to choose UNC over HPYSM and other similarly viewed schools. </p>
<p>Do you all know the breakdown of the honors program or Carolina Scholars between in-state and OOS? What about the gender balance within those two groups (honors and Carolina Scholars)? That latter question is just a matter of curiosity, not a major concern.</p>