<p>avrah
admission at HYMPD are just insanely tough. for eg. mit has a admission rate of 4% for internationals
and also yale deferred almost every int'nl i have heard of including me. they just want to look at all intnl together.
i am in the same boat as and this rejection at duke implies nothing about admission to HYMPD
just stating the facts</p>
<p>@ avrah: dude, no offence, but that attitude is like stacking up for disappointments. Harvard is a reach for EVERYONE.</p>
<p>^yeah... it just implies that places like Duke (which has more money than the top 10 Asian unis put together) think int'ls as second-class-citizens... especially the poor ones -_-</p>
<p>123college456: I know how hard it is, but that's why I've been working my ass off in the past two years and why I've applied to all of them and not just one. I also have the impression that there is no chance to get into a good school that's not need-blind for internationals if you are an international and ask for aid, so I'll look at the other decisions with the knowledge that I've been rejected. Concerning Yale: are you saying that they basically didn't reject any international regardless of their chances, so that the fact that I've been deferred doesn't mean that I've at least a chance? Btw: Yale took one from my country. Hopefully they take at least one more :)</p>
<p>Elastine: I'm aware of that, but, as I said, that's why I applied to all of them and why I've been working very hard. What else should I do? I mean, apart from the fact that I don't really want to settle for some safety school, I wouldn't have any chance of getting into any sort of safety school because I need financial aid. So HYPDWilliams are really the only places where I have a chance at all.</p>
<p>Kowloon: I can understand why places like Duke do it. They are private institutions and they can take whomever they want to take, so if they don't want to take internationals asking for aid, they're legitimate in doing so. That's not really good for us, but they are morally justified. However, they could be more specific and put a warning on their homepage: "if you are an international asking for aid, there is absolutely no chance that you get in, so if you want to save time, please don't apply."</p>
<p>Non need blind universities take plenty of needy students in the United States; the problem is that the international competition is so fierce (and acceptance rate so low) that it is hard for non 2400/International award winners to gain admission.</p>
<p>All you internationals need to stop complaining and just suck it up. It is US residents who pay taxes to the government, not you guys. The government in turn provides fundings to these universities, through organizations such as NSF, NIH, NASA etc. So why shouldn't we have a better chance of getting in?</p>
<p>If you live in the US and are not a permanent resident/citizen. Then I'm sorry. You get the worst of both worlds.</p>
<p>I am hoping to see that given its incredible endowment growth over years, Duke University will make admissions need-blind for internationals in addition to expanding financial aid for the middle class within the next 5 years.</p>
<p>We shall see...It's is critical to the continued growth of the university.</p>
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All you internationals need to stop complaining and just suck it up. It is US residents who pay taxes to the government, not you guys. The government in turn provides fundings to these universities, through organizations such as NSF, NIH, NASA etc. So why shouldn't we have a better chance of getting in?</p>
<p>If you live in the US and are not a permanent resident/citizen. Then I'm sorry. You get the worst of both worlds.
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<p>stupidkid, i understand wht ur saying, but many international students are actually very beneficial for the U.S. economy. Most internationl students, once admitted to u.s. schools, pour out tons of money into u.s. schools and economy. It's funny that several yrs ago, one of the federal reserve officials remarked that w/o internationl students at u.s., u.s. would go into economic downhill. </p>
<p>Also, private schools aren't affected by u.s. citizens' taxes, but only the public schools are. It really is a horrible situation for anyone applying to u.s. schools as internationls, since they don't get the aids as well as have much harder time getting into schools. </p>
<p>And, i agree that international students residing in u.s. truly get the worst possible deal. They do pay taxes, etc., yet aren't qualified to apply for aids like the domestic applicants and they don't even get in-state tuition at their state universities...</p>
<p>I was fairly surprised they didn't switch to need-blind for internationals following the $20 million Karsh gift that is to be used exclusively for international financial aid (was given about 2 months ago):</p>
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<p>No, all private institutions also get money from the government. Every year, NSF contributes millions to private institutions. Where does it get its money? The taxes of course. I understand that having internationals will be very beneficial, that's why there are spots for internationals. I just don't like how some people complain because the competition is tough. It's just supply and demand.</p>
<p>many people complain too, when the oil prices skyrocket as a result of this supply and demand situation. let these people have their moments, they're just frustrated.</p>
<p>^LOL, ok in that case, I have nothing else to say. But the oil issue isn't really supply and demand. Stupid OPEC setting limits on exports.</p>
<p>OPEC is an organization that maximizes oil countries' profits by controlling oil supplies. although u.s. market would want OPEC to supply more oil due to high consumer demand, OPEC refuses and only supplies specific amount, thus resulting in higher price per a barrel of oil. Also, remember those 'oil panicks', from Carter presidency? Sometimes, due to political reasons, Arab countries intentionally hold oil supplies to U.S. market, which drives U.S. economy into a major crisis and inflation.</p>
<p>... and relating to the topic, the "stupid OPEC" would be the 'stupid college restrictions' that do not supply enough FinAid to int'ls, thus making the price skyrocket (the competition is insane for the int'l FA pool), not to mention that it draws complains from the customers (int'ls students).</p>
<p>And of course, ppl from countries like Venezuela (OPEC member) get super cheap oil prices, so they think ppl in the rest of the world who complain are whiners (stupidkid, <em>cough</em>)</p>
<p>^LOL, I think you really can't find anything to reply to my previous comments and are just trying to get me with a low blow. I wasn't being completely serious anyways, oil prices aren't too horrible, about $2.9-3.3 /gallon. Anyways, good luck with your admissions next year.</p>