<p>Yes, the last two columns should be acceptance rate and average alumni giving. I do have a subscription; maybe that's why I can pull it up.</p>
<p>Happy to keep bumping this up and keeping it active! We just got stuff from Howard too. Can't say there wasn't an email earlier though.</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <p>There is a slight disconnect b/t the numbers posted by shrikrap and the headings posted by SuperMomIAin't. <<<</p> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>Whoops! My bad. Thnx sybbie & shrinkrap for clarifying!</p>
<p>sybbie719, I think the THIRD to last percentage should be acceptance. That would mean 37% for Spellman, right? There seems to be a column missing. Otherwise you would have admit rates of 15% for Hampton and 18% for Morehouse. Does that sound plausible?</p>
<p>The college board site also has most of the same information:</p>
<p>Acceptance & Retention Spelman
Percent applicants admitted: 37%
Percent of students who return for sophomore year: 92%
32% in top 10th of graduating class
34% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher </p>
<p>spelman's common data set</p>
<p>morehouse</p>
<p>Acceptance & Retention
Percent applicants admitted: 59%
Percent of students who return for sophomore year: 83%
14% in top 10th of graduating class
45% in top quarter of graduating class
77% in top half of graduating class
15% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
13% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
17% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
21% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
27% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
6% had h.s. GPA between 2.0 and 2.49
1% had h.s. GPA between 1.0 and 1.99 </p>
<p>Hampton
Acceptance & Retention
Percent applicants admitted: 37%
2% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
17% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
41% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
38% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99
2% had h.s. GPA between 2.0 and 2.49 </p>
<p>hampton fact sheet</p>
<p>Hampton</a> University - Office of Operations Analysis & Research</p>
<p>Yay! another excuse to bump!</p>
<p>Even the original chart is hard to line up. There is an extra number following the 5th figure, the graduation rates, which are superscripts referring to details at the bottom of the chart. I was really only trying to capture the ranking, but this should be the columns. IGNORING the number to the right of the fifth figure ( graduation rate)</p>
<p>Rank and School
Overall score
Peer assessment score (5.0=highest)
Average freshman retention rate
Average graduation rate
% of classes w/fewer than 20 ('06)
% of classes w/50 or more ('06)
Student/ faculty ratio ('06)
% faculty who are full time ('06)
SAT/ACT 25th-75th percentile ('06)
Freshmen in top 25% of HS class
Acceptance rate ('06)
Average alumni giving rate</p>
<p>I'm black, although my family isn't rich. </p>
<p>Is a high SAT score a hook if I am a low-income URM? I have a > 2000 SAT score, which supposedly is rare in my area. Would I get a lot of leverage based on that?</p>
<p>I think your score probably places you in the top 5 percent for all test takers and the top 2 percent for URM's and that's a good thing. Being a low income URM is certainly an agreed upon "hook", at least on college confidential. "They" say being male helps too, especially at Is liberal arts colleges (LAC's).Good job! Hope your GPA and classes match.</p>
<p>P.S. Why are you asking? I'm sure you've seen all this before.</p>
<p>im a middle class black girl. i got offers to go to loyola u of new orleans and tulane but i chose to apply ED to syracuse. i got in and got pretty good finaid so success is possible.</p>
<p>bsb2007, if I can be so bold (under this wonderful cloak of anonymity provided by the internet)--what were your stats? My son is interested in ED at Syracuse.</p>
<p>If I am being too intrusive I really do apologize.</p>
<p>The</a> Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test</p>
<p>^^for actual statistics, roughly 300 black students scored 1500+ on the SAT (combined math & Verbal) its near the bottom</p>
<p>JBHE:</a> Latest News for 9/14/06</p>
<p>^^^for ACT, no black students got a 36 and only 5 black students got a 35 (mid right of page)</p>
<p>Thanks Tyler but are you aware of percentiles for the current three part composite? Where did you get the 300? What about the more humble 1200 to 1300 ranges?</p>
<p>Gene</a> Expression: Minority "Outreach", and why AA = double standards</p>
<p>Let me correct myself from above.</p>
<p>only 72 blacks scored 1500 or above on SAT, i mis-extrapolated</p>
<p>I read the link, thanks but why can't I ever find anything since 2005 or so ? Is it too controversial" ?</p>
<p>How did you extrapolate? Yo may have noticed our thoughts about the limits of this above. Something about correlation in post #123.</p>
<p>i estimated based on the information given in the first journal. 360 got 750 on math, 250 got 750 on verbal, but i wrongly assumed that it was the same people doing so well. </p>
<p>The above source has 72 above 1500 and 192 above 1450.</p>
<p>Hey Tyler,</p>
<p>Your source with the 72-count is 2003 data. It's not for 2007/08. Sorry.</p>
<p>I'm truly bummed because I've scoured the internet for composite score data for African-Americans and I can't find a thing! It looks like there might be some stuff on JSTOR but ya gotta have a subscription and darn it -- I don't!</p>
<p>"34% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher"</p>
<p>Huh? Am I the only one who finds such a stat---well, disappointing? Compare that with mainstream elites, for whom a 3.75 GPA puts one in the lower 25th percentile. This is apparently the top 34% at Spelman? And only 32% graduated in the top 10% of their HS class? No, stats certainly don't tell the whole story (not by a long shot), but they aren't meaningless, either.</p>
<p>The "achievement gap" is more than disappointing, and discussed in some detail in the journal links posted. I don't know that we can do it more justice than the JBHE. It would certainly be refreshing to post about what the kids and families we know do, that defies the odds.</p>
<p>poetsheart, I think that elite HBCU's have faced a problem in the last thirty years similar to that faced by elite women's colleges. That is, they used to have a corner on a market: a large majority of high-achieving black students would choose an HBCU. A new universe of alternatives opened up in the 70's when the Ivies and their ilk began aggressively recruiting top black students, and many of those students began to choose primarily white institutions. There is still a niche market of students who prefer an HBCU (or a women's college), but the institutions face serious challenges attracting the kind of students they were once able to take for granted.</p>
<p>"Your source with the 72-count is 2003 data. It's not for 2007/08."</p>
<p>I don't know if the 2003 source is accurate or not, but I'm 100% sure that we haven't made sweeping progress on this issue in the last four years. Everything that was holding kids back four years ago is still in place today.</p>
<p>I agree, i don't think the data from 2003 will differ from 2008 by much at all.</p>
<p>A question for those of you with seniors...... At what point (after PSAT) did your child begin to receive mail from colleges? I have read about the "buckets" flowing in but have yet to see it here. My son (junior) swears he remembered to check the AA box and that he wanted to receive info. His scores were middle of the road.</p>