<p>I haven't, but I've read The Moral Animal. I'm conflicted too. I like logic and empiricism, but the truths they reveal are sometimes hard to emotionally accept.</p>
<p>No, I don't like "the hook-up culture" at all. But that's ok.. I've been with my gf since the 2nd week of freshman year and I find more satisfaction in her than I will in any other girl.</p>
<p>"For example, the book "Unprotected" explores how college-aged (Columbia University students, to be exact) females are emotionally damaged by uncommitted sex, yet are still implicitly encouraged to do so because of gender-equality-based political correctness."</p>
<p>I'd love to hear more about this study and how this group of CU females represents the entire female gender. In my own studies, the only girls that feel regret about casual sex are those that have been raised in a religious/sexually repressed culture. Without religion/stupid culture norms/AIDS, everyone would be having nonstop sex with anyone they pleased.</p>
<p>As a female, I have not felt regret for no strings attached sex, despite having a long term boyfriend. Explain that.</p>
<p>Well it's more than just culture: humans <em>are</em> a K-selected species...</p>
<p>"As a female, I have not felt regret for no strings attached sex, despite having a long term boyfriend. Explain that."</p>
<p>Let's see. I said a book suggested that college-aged females are emotionally damage by uncommitted sex. Do you think the author took a consensus survey, or just noticed a pattern that may indicate a trend? I put the title there for a reason. Go amazon or google it or something. </p>
<p>Oh and you wrote that sentence rather *****ily. Explain that. </p>
<p>"everyone would be having nonstop sex with anyone they pleased [if not for A, B, or C]"</p>
<p>People would still have standards. For example, it's better reproductive strategy for me to go get food and eat it (and enhance or maintain my reproductive potential) than copulate with an ugly, unintelligent, unfit female. I'd rather not have sex than have sex with someone I don't find attractive. Are you saying without cultural norms, fear of disease, or religion judging you, you'd go out and spread your legs to any Joe Schmoe that comes along?</p>
<p>"In my own studies, the only girls that feel regret about casual sex are those that have been raised in a religious/sexually repressed culture."</p>
<p>Nope, there must be no observer bias in your anecdotal at all. God, I can't believe we had all this discussion on evolutionary psychology when you had the answers all along!</p>
<p>This issue doesn't have to be moral at all, I believe morals are relative and apply in different situations in different cultures.</p>
<p>That still doesn't mean I wouldn't judge someone who is overly into the hook up culture, however. Sex incurs many responsibilities. No, this isn't just middle school sexual education propoganda, STDS and teen pregnancies are still serious problems even though they are mostly found in poor populations. I see someone who carelessly engages in sex as someone who is stupid, rash, and irresponsible, not necessarily morally corrupt.</p>
<p>If sex wasn't such a big deal, then why don't you parents sleep around with the neighbors? They might, but if the other party found out, it would probably end in a divorce. There is a common stigma associated with extra-marital sex found in almost all cultures, and there is a logical reason behind it.</p>
<p>I'm not a super prude or anything, I think sex can be a great thing. But please don't go around screwing someone just because they were a good dancer at a frat party.</p>
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<p>Well what does that make you? </p>
<p>Hint: It starts with a 'S' or 'W'. You're proud of it aren't you?</p>
<p>we're not 5 anymore, if you want to call someone a slut or whore, you actually have to spell it out...</p>
<p>sorry, forgot you owned the forum...</p>
<p>LOL to diesel.</p>
<p>Anyone who uses the "W word" is far worse off than the person being called the "W word".</p>
<p>One gives in to patriarchal society...the other does not.</p>
<p>^^LOL Feminist! I agree that the slut/player paradox is retarded, but if a a girl actually is a whore there's nothing wrong with calling her one.</p>
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but if a a girl actually is a whore there's nothing wrong with calling her one
If she sleeps with men for money, you may call her a sex worker. If she just likes sex, what word would you use to describe a man in the same position?</p>
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Well what does that make you?</p>
<p>Hint: It starts with a 'S' or 'W'. You're proud of it aren't you?
I have little respect for the morals of someone who uses such degrading language about women.</p>
<p>Would you use those words about a man? If not, what would you call him?</p>
<p>It isn't really about gender; it's about basic human decency. If you wouldn't use that type of slur against a man, what makes you feel entitled to use it against a woman? If you use that language against men and women equally, what makes you think people don't deserve to be treated with respect, if they've done nothing more to you than make a decision you disagree with?</p>
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It isn't really about gender; it's about basic human decency. If you wouldn't use that type of slur against a man, what makes you feel entitled to use it against a woman? If you use that language against men and women equally, what makes you think people don't deserve to be treated with respect, if they've done nothing more to you than make a decision you disagree with?
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<p>Another one of your silly posts. </p>
<p>Why do you assume that I wouldn't use that type of slur against a man? I have no respect for men that exhibit the same behavior. These people don't deserve to be treated with respect because they're the reason for the degrading culture, and bad role models for their kids (if they have any, which is likely coz one of those days the condom will break or the girl will forget to take the pill). </p>
<p>Go sleep around if you wish. Why don't you ask the guys for money too. That will give you twice the pleasure.</p>
<p>I've slept with one guy, and he doesn't pay me. When we go out to dinner, which isn't often, I pay every other time. I've never forgotten to take a pill. Ad hominem attacks only weaken your argument.</p>
<p>By the way, you never answered any of my questions.</p>
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I'd also like to issue a reminder again that this isn't a black-and-white issue. It isn't a choice between virginity until marriage ("moral") and indiscriminate sleeping around ("wickedness and dissolution"). I'll offer you a few scenarios along the spectrum; you may tell me where you draw the line.</p>
<p>Repeated hook-ups with multiple strangers. One-time hook-up with a stranger. One-time hook-up with a friend. Repeated hook-up with same friend. Sex within a short-term, not-terribly-serious relationship. Sex within a serious long-term relationship. Sex within marriage, and only then. No sex at all, ever.</p>
<p>And that's not even covering everything that can be done short of intercourse (kissing, touching, certain kinds of dancing) or all possible permutations of it.</p>
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<p>I wasn't in love with my boyfriend the first time we had sex, or even the second or third or fourth. That didn't happen until two months later -- he said it first. I might marry him one day, but we're eighteen and in love, and we aren't waiting to find out. Does that make me immoral?
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These people don't deserve to be treated with respect because they're the reason for the degrading culture, and bad role models for their kids (if they have any, which is likely coz one of those days the condom will break or the girl will forget to take the pill).
No. It's a baseless generalization. Some people fit that description; most who have sex before marriage don't.</p>
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Go sleep around if you wish. Why don't you ask the guys for money too. That will give you twice the pleasure.
That was extremely uncalled for.</p>
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hy do you assume that I wouldn't use that type of slur against a man? I have no respect for men that exhibit the same behavior. These people don't deserve to be treated with respect because they're the reason for the degrading culture, and bad role models for their kids (if they have any, which is likely coz one of those days the condom will break or the girl will forget to take the pill).
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if you were to ever call a man a slut or whore to his face(not from behind your protective computer screen), you would either get laughed at or your jaw broken. </p>
<p>and as for having kids, since "those people" have no morals, morning after pill and abortions FTW [/sarcasm]</p>
<p>morning after pill and abortions FTW (serious)</p>
<p>i agree that they're a good saftey net, but shouldn't be the first plan</p>