Applying for the White Scholarship?

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<p>"BU has everything to do with this. The students represent the school." What?!? Since when is it BU solely responsible to teach students what they might not be interest in learning, such as American history? Since when does a group of students in the dozens represent the voice of a school of ten thousands? Should BU pre-screen all prospective students to make sure that they subscribe to a certain principle? The purpose of college is to be exposed to teachings that go against your own believe. You're telling me that BU should force those students to believe what you believe? As I recall, no one is going to college to be forced to believe in a certain ideology. Most people know why AA and race-based scholarships exist, that doesn't mean they have to agree with it. Jones, what you are advocating for is to mindlessly brain-washed them to your ideology without having any dissension. When someone dissents, you call them a bigot because he/she believes that current system is not doing its job is failing its original purpose.</p>

<p>BUCR is doing (in a crude way) what it believes will raise awareness to this imperfect system. Poverty does not know race. A poor white or black child should not suffer the legacy of hate in this country, and that legacy is being carried out in this flaw system (no matter how well intentioned it is). The only two factors that should be considered when determine scholarship are NEED and MERIT, not RACE. If you serve the students who have great needs, it will solve the problem of poverty in all RACIAL groups and not just some selective one.</p>

<p>All these are coming from a Democrat, a POOR minority, and a non-BU student.</p>

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<p>excuse some typos up there, I typed this in a rush, and was ****ed.</p>

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<p>I can't help but think of you Jones, when I saw this picture:
<a href="http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1633531%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1633531&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Dude, your linky didn't work...</p>

<p>Anyway, I disagree. I'd say poverty knows race all too well. Generational poverty is caused by racism. </p>

<p>Please tell me when white people have been in the minority? Please tell me when they've suffered at the hands of racism? When couldn't they get into the good schools or the good jobs? Please tell me when there were laws that discriminated against white people?</p>

<p>Now, prove to me that African-Americans are on the same level playing field as white people today? You can't. Tell me that African-Americans can get the very same jobs as a white man?</p>

<p>White people weren't enslaved. They weren't oppressed for hundreds of years. How far ahead would African-Americans be if their not-so-distant relatives weren't forced to work for no pay, raped, beaten, families ripped apart and sold off to the highest bidder, or lynched cause they looked at a white woman...etc.???</p>

<p>C'mon man you're smarter than this...</p>

<p>The BU College Republicans don't have a clue. It's very convenient for them to want a level playing field.</p>

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<p>This is a BU forum, not a place to discuss racial equality. Please stop. This is not appropriate discussion for this forum.</p>

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<p>Honestly, I would love to speak out against the College Republicans and say that they are a racist group and that a stunt like this is terrible and blah blah blah. Perhaps their motives aren't honorable at all, but the fact is, with as many scholarships as there are for minority students that don't require proof of financial need, this scholarship does take into account some of the poor white students who can't afford to pay tuition any more than some of the minorities can. This however, doesn't make the group sponsoring it any more correct.</p>

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<p>I know this is not the right forum, but hakuna, how is this group is any less correct than a group sponsoring a scholarship for minorities, but there's no proof of need requirement, as you said yourself. That makes zero sense.</p>

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<p>The link leads to a picture of an Indiana Jones action figure, except, instead of Harold Ford, you see an African-American GI Joe. It's was quite humorous (not in a demeaning way.)</p>

<p>Jones, I couldn't believe what you were writing up there. You really need a broader history lesson beyond the Afro-American centrist history you've been feeding yourself. </p>

<p>"Please tell me when they've suffered at the hands of racism?" I think you are a latent bigot: You hate white people. You categorize all white into a group and believe that the Caucasian race as a whole never suffer anything. Your mentality is that "My group suffered the most, we should get the most special treatment, screw everybody else." Whether you admit it or not, you're guilty of hate. A person, who doesn't have hate, would want equal treatment for ALL. As I said earlier, if we fix the problems of those who have the most needs, we will fix the problems for all races. </p>

<p>Europeans and American are guilty of a lot of a horrible stuffs, and believe me this is coming someone whose country was rape very bad for a very long time by the European, but that doesn't make it right to hate their descendents. I won't deny you that African-American has it worst (although oppression and suffering of Hispanic is catching up) but you won't solve anything if you go around hating other. </p>

<p>That Irish when first came to America were treated with great deal of hate, they experienced generational poverty for decades. In fairness, they were able to assimilate to the culture quicker because of their skin. I can't afford time to lay out the whole history of Irish suffering in America; you can check it out at Wikipedia or other sources. Each wave of immigration to America faces tremendous challenges and bigotry from the established race.
"When couldn't they get into the good schools or the good jobs?" Jewish, Irish, Polish-American, Russian-American, and Catholics-American histories would answer that question for you. </p>

<p>"White people weren't enslaved." How far back in history do you want to go back with this statement? The Greek enslaved a lot of a white folks they conquered. Rome topped Greek in number of enslave. The Turk after conquering Byzantine enslaved a heck lot of white Christians. Most of the African that were enslaved in Africa were ENSLAVED BY OTHER BLACKS and then sold to the European traders. If Black didn't hate black in the first place, through tribal warfare, the slave trade would have never picked up! American colonies might have generated the initial demand, but it was Africans who supplied the human person. History is repeating itself: The most recent genocides were caused by Africans on other Africans. Is everything the white man's fault? No, because there isn't one white man. There isn't a homogenous race that is systematically plan and act out on its bigotry. Look beyond the whole and look at the individual, it’s easy to hate if you can brand a generic label on its face and dump everythings that are wrong with the world on it.</p>

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<p>When you begin to reach back to Africa and ancient Greece to justify your arguments on minority-only scholarships and an explaination of "generational poverty" you've lost.</p>

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<p>I'm not justifying "generational poverty," with the example of ancient slavery. I'm explaining to Jones that history for white people aren't peachy as he/she likes to believe it to be, and also European isn't the sole aggressor in the African's plight. Since when is this a contest for converts? Lost? Who won? This a dialogue, not a contest. If you're looking for a competition go elsewhere. Please learn to read within the context of the paragraph.</p>

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<p>There are many scholarships based on need, academic, or athletic ability. There are others that are geared toward a specific group for a specific reason. Like the ones for female students that go into engineering. Who would have thought when many of these female scholarships were launched that by this generation girls would outnumber boys in college population, significantly, and are just about even with them for Law School. Once there is a level playing field for any minority and kids in poor aresa have the same quality of education as their private school or suburban counterparts things will be different. But for now the reality is that racism still exists and it can take a few generations before there won't be a need for specific scholarships. When admins look at the scholarships they take a lot into account and may be more likely to give it to a kid in greater need. The issue of wealthy AA students getting all these scholarships is a myth. The numbers are very small, most go to first generation college kids or poor ones, and schools have a right to do what they need to diversify their campuses. Boys are getting a slight boost for this very reason in schools where the gender ratio is heavy on girls. Legacies, especially at Ivy League schools, get a slight boost over any other student of equal standing. Since few people of color attended such schools a generation ago these legacies are for the most part from white male parent alumnus.</p>

<p>I agree this thread doesn't belong on this particular site but rarely do people dialogue about race which is an important issue so despite their reason the Young Reublicans haver fostered dialogue and discourse.</p>

<p>BTW, I never knew until this board that the MLK scholarship is open to all students. I've seen scholarships for veteran's children, ones for Polish descent, for children of specific faiths---so there are lots of these that are targeted for a variety of reasons.</p>

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<p>"This is a BU forum, not a place to discuss racial equality. Please stop. This is not appropriate discussion for this forum."</p>

<p>Lergnom, this is a discussion about a scholarship being offered by the Boston Univ College Republicans. What better place to discuss this issue than Boston University's college discussion board? </p>

<p>The issue is a serious one and doesn't deserve to be swept under the carpet as the University would like. Perhaps when BU publicly denounces the scholarship maybe then this issue will go away...</p>

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<p>Reddune, your attempt to obfuscate the issue is really quite pathetic and isn't deserving of a response. </p>

<p>BTW, I'm white and I don't hate myself, nor do I hate other white people. I hate injustice. I hate racism. I hate racist ignorant people who promote racist ideas.</p>

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<p>You disappoint me, I was hoping you would have some intelligent thing to say (which is solely lacking from you through out this whole conversation), and also explaining your position in a coherent matter (instead of spewing out hateful and ignorant messages), but I guess I can't expect much from those who have a lot of hate in their system.</p>

<p>What's the basic idea of my argument? Positive racism does not work. Giving aid to poor and the needy will solve inequality. Since Blacks and Hispanics are the most poverty, then inadvertently they will BENEFIT from it. This system of need take away race factors, but still serve EVERYONE.</p>

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<p>What you have is rhetoric, not a system of thought. “I hate racist ignorant people who promote racist ideas.” Ok, so do I, that why I support a race-free aid, so there wouldn’t be any racism involve. Throw off your “I’m holier than thou” attitude and exam what you’re saying. You’re the hypocrite who preaches one thing, but practices another. You said you want to promote racial equality, but yet you want to restrict financial aid only to a certain race. Isn’t that hypocrisy? Tell me this: What is wrong with having need-aid only? If Africans have the most need, then they will benefit; if Hispanics are poor, then need aid will help them; if a white student from Appalachia can’t afford tuition, then need-aid will support him. EVERYONE WINS! The current system of race-base aid does not resolve the problem of poverty FOR EVERYONE. Were you ever poor Indiana Jones? Have you lived on $1.33 a day? Are your parents’ COMBINED incomes below the federal poverty level? Because mine are, and I lived through and still living an impoverished life. Have you even experienced what racism feel like? Have some one throw food at you and tell you to get back to your own country? Unless you’ve experienced it, stop farting out your air “of righteousness" and think for a second.</p>

<p>But what do I know right? I'm just "obfuscating" reality. This doesn't warrant a response from one who is so justified in his own rightness.</p>

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<p>There's nothing hateful about my message. Perhaps you might wanna use that mirror in your bathroom? While you're at it use the toilet too, cause you're full of shat. My message is inclusive. You're the one who wants to dismantle race-based scholarships and exclude minorities.</p>

<p>Perhaps when you can tell me that racism ceases to exist in our society then we can dismantle these systems??? When you can tell me that an African-American, or a woman, or any minority can get any job that a white person can get, then perhaps race will no longer give one group an advantage over another.</p>

<p>The College Republicans aren't too bright if they don't understand why race-based scholarships still exist. They have the opportunity to compete for merit-based scholarships, but if they're not too bright to begin with, then they probably aren't gonna be too successful. IMO, this is why they're motivated to dismantle such systems as race-based scholarships... (Perhaps they shoulda spent less time/money on their Xbox 360s?)</p>

<p>The College Republican's argument is flawed. There are "need-based" scholarship programs at most schools that award scholarships based solely on poverty alone. They target people at or below the poverty level. BU offers the "BU Grant" and the "Gilbert Grant," UVa offers "Access UVa," UNC offers the "Carolina Covenant"...etc. </p>

<p>If BU is too expensive for them, then perhaps they shoulda gone to a state school?</p>

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<p>the minority scholarships are to encourage more minority students to attend college ("minority" get it?!)</p>

<p>by the way, many scholarships are made for whites only although they are not specifically said to be "white scholarships" this include several religious scholarships and what not. Whites get all the rest of the scholarship anyways (including national merit (or whatever the PSAT scholarship is called) why not leave at least some for minorities.</p>

<p>those republicans will probably regret it in the end because they'll be labelled as racist. for some reason, one of them is actually a beneficiary of a Hispanic monority award.</p>

<p>They might as well start a new "White University" (as if we don't have enough of those) in an an outcry against HBCUs.
or even create "white history day" (as if we don't have enough of that) in an outcry against black history month.</p>

<p>MLK scholarship is actually open to all students.</p>

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<p>so who got the scholarship (the deadline was november 26th i think)
I bet no one even bothered to apply.</p>

<p>I'm not saying you can't call your scholarship a "'white people only" scholarship but think about it... If this idea spreads, there will be hundreds of white people only scholarships (whites constitute a majority of the population) every school will have it some will have multiple ones and whites will continue to be excessively overrepresented in the schools, society in general. Then we'll have the whole "whites only restroom" "whites only classrooms" thing again. That's how it starts.
minorities aren't called "underrepresented" for nothing. When people try to represent them, you get the other people who thinks the world owes them a favor, crying out against it.</p>

<p>they say "we're only trying to be equal" but when you look at it and in their minds, they know it's definitely going to make matters worse.</p>

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History is repeating itself: The most recent genocides were caused by Africans on other Africans.

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<p>but for some reason, whites tend to be involved in a significant way.
The one in Rwanda happened as a result of the divide between two "groups" classified by whites (watch "hotel rwanda").
The one in Ogoni land happened as a result of Whites (Shell petroleum company) exploiting the oil in the niger delta area and the Ogoni people crying out against it and getting wiped out in a genocide in the process.</p>