<p>^^ Johndear put Natural Sciences (Biology) as his first choice and he got put into liberal arts...</p>
<p>D found out today she was rejected. Pretty crushing considering her stats are far above the UT norm.</p>
<p>^1990Dad - Is your child in the top 5% of class? From everything I've read or heard, if you are OOS, being in the top 5% is pretty important.</p>
<p>No, the exact percentage doesn't matter.</p>
<p>Your class rank compared to your SAT score does. If you are the valedictorian but only got a 1000, you probably won't get in. You could not be in the top 10% and have a 1600 and get in. </p>
<p>There is a formula which they use, and then they compare this number to your essays and extracurriculars to determine whether you get in. In this formula, your class rank, CR, and Math scores are all roughly 1/3 of the total score.</p>
<p>There is no minimum consideration cutoff, though. Being in the top 5% isn't as important as having a great SAT score, great essays, and great extracurriculars.</p>
<p>hey 1990dad, what were your daughters stats, im still waiting on my decision. Also was she in-state or oos?</p>
<p>Since my D reviews these boards as well, I'd rather not get into specifics, but generally: OOS, top 2% ACT, grades are very good for her school</p>
<p>May I ask what college she applied to?</p>
<p>The B-School in particular is incredibly difficult for her to get into.</p>
<p>Did she rank Liberal Arts as one of the two choice? Because if she didn't, that may be why. COLA and NatSci are the easiest to gain admission to.</p>
<p>You could not be in the top 10% and have a 1600 and get in. </p>
<p>I personally would be suspicious of a student who could make a perfect score on an SAT and not be in the top 10%, even 5%. Is this student just a good standardized test taker and not applying him/herself?</p>
<p>Oh well, do not mean to hijack the thread.</p>
<p>Yes, LA was one</p>
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<p>You cannot go by the UT "norms." The stats on the website are for in-state students and many of them get in because of the 10% rule. So their SAT scores/ACT scores and GPA are going to be lower than the average for OOS students. Look at the average scores for OOS students: </p>
<p>Re post #28: lots of gifted kids are turned off by school by the time they reach high school. 8 years of being completely without challenge and/or bored stiff does not tend to establish good study habits. They are not "just" good test takers. but they may not be great performers when it comes to jumping through the standard hoops, either. Underachievers, in a word.</p>
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<p>Thanks for posting. The SAT/ACT numbers were actually about what I was comparing.</p>
<p>However, the 1/3 yield from those acceptances is most interesting. Supports GCs supposition that it was a reject based on the belief that she wouldn't attend even if accepted. To be fair, it was in fact of her safeties.</p>
<p>I doubt they would have denied her because she was OVERqualified. I mean, they only accept the best OOS that apply. OOS students really don't seem to normally apply to UT as their safety school. It's just seems too hard to get in OOS, unless you had seriously amazing stats. As a high target, maybe, but I wouldn't say safety. </p>
<p>For example, I have a close friend who did get into UT. She is #1 in our class, got an SAT score of 1500, and has extracurriculars like you would not believe. If they were going to deny someone on the basis that they were just applying to the school as their safety school, she would have def. been denied (although it was one of her safeties).</p>
<p>Most kids who have high SAT scores and low ranks and still get in go to tiny little schools.</p>
<p>I know a kid who was 6/8 in his class, had a 93 GPA, and had a 1600. He got in to UT.</p>
<p>It's just as hard in a big ultra competitive school such as Plano. You have a HUGE concentration of smart motivated kids, and many are making academics the single focus of their lives. You could get great grades in AP classes in Plano and not make the top ten percent.</p>
<p>At least in urban areas, it's not uncommon for you to have a great score and not such a great rank. Grades aren't everything. And UT doesn't even look at your grades anyways. Plenty of kids who have "4.0s" get rejected because UT doesn't just look at the number or see if your school is on a 4.0 or 5.0 scale or whatever. They use a rank to keep it simple.</p>
<p>No, it's mainly the fact that it's roughly $40k out of state and the financial aid isn't going to cover that for most students. UT doesn't promise to met 100% of need for INSTATE kids, and they aren't going to do it for OOS kids either. Couple that with the fact that UT has very few merit scholarships (and many of those are reserved for graduates of specific Texas high schools with underrepresented student bodies), and that results in a low yield.</p>
<p>UT is funded by the taxpayers of Texas, the Texas legislature, and Texas oil money. It's first and foremost responsibilty is and should be to educate the people of Texas. I really don't think that UT should be obligated to admit OOS applicants and to shoulder the huge financial burden if they can't pay. UT could do perfectly well with just admitting in-state kids.</p>
<p>Whether they think you will come or not isn't a way they can use to determine acceptance. They have to use a formula which was approved after the Hopwood case to determine fair admissions practices. There is little human opinion involved. They rank your essays on 1-6 scale and your ECs on a 1-6 scale and that's it. There are no votes, no admissions panels meticulously reading your file as far as I can tell. They have such a large number of applicants that they can't realistically give the attention a smaller school would. Therefore they just admit based on the merits of the students. If an OOS student is a student they think will blow them off, then they compensate for that in over-admitting. Sometimes you may overestimate your own credentials--UT isn't a provincial little state school, it's the best state school in the country. They have some of the best students from throughout the country. Texas' top kids can compete with the top Ivy kids. However, UT is more egalitarian in who they admit.</p>
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<p>Again, that's rough, loneranger. They could do well, but isn't diversity (geographic diversity) important? I understand that "It's first and foremost responsibilty is and should be to educate the people of Texas," but that shouldn't mean that NO OOS students should be admitted. I mean, even you would find that a bit ridiculous, right?</p>
<p>"Sometimes you may overestimate your own credentials--UT isn't a provincial little state school, it's the best state school in the country. They have some of the best students from throughout the country. Texas' top kids can compete with the top Ivy kids. However, UT is more egalitarian in who they admit."</p>
<p>That vaunted UT arrogance at its finest.</p>
<p>Wow 1990Dad I'm REALLY sorry about your D. Did your daughter go to a competitive school? I ask that because even though I'm in Texas, I remember when my mother was trying to make a decision between 3 high schools that I could go to. It ultimately came down to two, and she felt that the high school I currently attend would be better because the other one was EXTREMELY competitive. There's probably no way that I would've been in the top 10% if I went to that HS. But I'm glad I am where I am, seeing as how this HS is where I wanted to be in the first place since all my friends were here.</p>
<p>Ha sorry for straying off topic. But seriously, was her school really competitive?</p>
<p>The best students in Texas use UT as a safety.. and apply to better schools. I never hear of any top-notch OOS students clamoring to get into Texas.</p>
<p>About a year ago, cc user luckytxmom posted this:
I came across this article on how UT plots an Academic Achievement index against a Personal Achievement Index to determine admissions. </p>