<p>Again, all you have to is look at the numbers, and these numbers are indicating that Asians are kicking our butts. Not only are they doing far better than us on OUR SATs/ACTs, they are doing better in math/science and have a far better working effort. Is this a generalization? Yes, but it has yet to fail me. Give me an Asian slacker and I’ll give you a thousand hard working Asians.</p>
<p>I have no problem admiting that Asians are by far superior in many ways to my ethnic group, and I think if more black students took education as seriously as their Asian counterparts, the black community would be in a FAR better state.</p>
<p>You still have not said what you are studying. Is it telling you all you have to do is look at numbers to understand causes or more importantly solutions? </p>
<p>Anyway like I said, I’m glad you have it all figured out. I guess the rest of us are just wasting our time.</p>
<p>Didn’t I say what I was studying my post? I said CHINESE. Most of my coworkers? Asian. The top students? Asian. Engineering/hard math and science majors? Asian. Gee, I wonder why…</p>
<p>I am not looking at just the numbers, as I have stated. I’m looking at CULTURAL reasons. But I guess you are just not willing to admit that maybe, just maybe, a black could learn something from an Asian.</p>
<p>You seem to be incredulous over the success of Asian students, as if it is some myth. That is an INSULT to a hard working group of people. There are no “hidden” factors or “secrets” to their success: They work hard, and, as a result, score higher and perform better than the rest.</p>
<p>There is a perception among Asians (right or wrong) that they need to do better than other ethnic groups to get admitted to the top colleges. Perhaps this perception is part of the reason why some Asian students work harder and get better scores.</p>
<p>LOLOLOLOL at the statement that Asians’ “hard work culture” stems from the need to be “better” than other ethnic groups.</p>
<p>In any case, they’re taught the value of hard work FOR ITSELF and the rewards that could come from thinking about their future. Not so that they could crush the chances of a Latino/AA/white person’s chance of getting into college. By the way, I don’t think that very desire is excluded to only Asians. I know many people from many other ethnicities who had some sort of past that taught them from an early age, that you need work hard for a great future.</p>
<p>“Understanding how genes gain dominance over environment in kinship studies provides the key to how environment emerges with huge potency between generations. There must be persistent environmental factors that bridge the generations; and those factors must seize control of a powerful instrument that multiplies their causal potency.”</p>
<p>So, Shrinkrap, quick question: how come you treat ideas dissenting to yours so meanly? I’ve seen you treat others who disagree with you in a condescending way and it is super lame.</p>
<p>Ouch! Please don’t make this personal. It’s getting OT.</p>
<p>I love statistics, and the info from collegeboard indicates that Asians only represent 10% of the total number of test takers.</p>
<p>Another interesting bit of data…In today’s NYTimes, in an article called The Latinos Lag, the data on the left hand side of page 2 (under Elusive Success) shows that Asians represent the highest percent of all ethnic groups to obtain a college degree, 50%.</p>
<p>Shrink has deluded herself into thinking that Asians are genetically superior/smarter than other ethnic groups…that is BS and an insult to other, non-Asian groups.</p>
<p>I dislike statistics of that kind because the researchers tend to group similar cultures together. For example, within the group Asian, are Vietnamese-Americans performing just as well as Japanese-Americans? Are Chinese-Americans outscoring Korean-Americans? Questions of this kind should be asked because in the US we tend to group all Asians as a homogeneous group. Within the 50% of Asians with college degrees, 60% of those college degree-holders could be Japanese-Americans while the rest is distributed among other Asian cultures.</p>
<p>Hispanics are treated similarly but at least we recognize some co-cultures such as Cuban-American, Mexican-American, and Puerto Ricans. Are Cuban-Americans performing similarly to Mexican-Americans? I always smile whenever I hear “Asians are so smart” since I personally know a significant number of young Chinese-Americans residing in Brooklyn that perform similarly to other young adults of other ethnicities.</p>
<p>“I’ve seen you treat others who disagree with you in a condescending way”</p>
<p>I’m sorry. That was not my intention. Can you show me where? I rarely state an opinion for others to disagree with. More commonly I am questioning those who seem so sure of the truth. I am NEVER sure of the truth.</p>
<p>Enginox, I agree with you completely. It’s unfair to group any ethnic group into one: be it Asian, Hispanic, or white. I just like to see how the figures spread out in general, but I sure don’t get carried away with making hard conclusions from a bunch of vague,imprecise numbers. Like any other research, the numbers to prove or disprove a point, but what’s not there is just as valuable.</p>
<p>Not surprised to see higher performance from Asians in American high schools. Consider the demographics of their parents- a high percentage of well educated immigrant parents (and the numbers of Asians allowed in a recent phenomenon). Immigration quotas and other difficulties in coming have prevented the average Asian from immigrating to the US. Europeans were allowed in in droves historically regardless of background while others were prevented from coming- racism at its worst. H is from India and most Indians here are at least college educated, if not holding advanced degrees. Likewise for many other Asian ethnic groups- a major exception being recently arrived SE Asians. We typically see the “cream of the crop” of Asians, we do not see many average people- they tend to stay in their home countries. American culture is European based, making it a much friendlier environment for their ethnic groups then and now. Asians wouldn’t be at the top if we had only allowed Europeans with similar attributes to become part of this country.</p>
<p>I’m a filipino and I agree with your opinons Asians tend to perform better on test due to culture(asians are the only ethnic group more conservative than whites) and other statistical anomolies(don’t see the average asian often in middle america don’t wanna sound stereotypical). In my family I’m presurred to do my best because I’m an only child with the majority of my family in the Philippines,live in a working class situation,my schools tries to reveal our potential and probably because of parents. In wiki I read how Asians are described as a “model minority” but I also read that many Americans often have the most unusual feelings about asians(example in one many americans states they’re uncomfortable voting in an Asian president(oh oh my dream)). This summer I went to a summer program(consisting of many gifted and talented hispanic students and although I was nervous at first I warmed up to them very quickly). One of the few problems was that a few thought I spoke chinese(all asians need to stop being lumped with each other) and the other was when my roomate would try to imitate Taiwanese kids from the other camp. My roomate didn’t seem to mean harm so sinc ignorance is bliss I suppose he can learn this when he matures more. So anyway I find it cool Asians(or Pacific Islanders) score great when in comparision to other groups and I find it sad that I probably won’t be a product of affirmative action. -From a simple Freshman
P.S secret the ASB at my school is flooded with asians at a school where they make up 25%-45% of the population think I should help diversify it or should I leave it the way things are</p>
<p>5% of Asian SAT takers for CR and Writing, and 10% of Asian SAT takers for Math are distributed more in top ranges than the total SAT takers. The rest of Asian distribution is not much different from the total or white at all.</p>
<p>Certainly, not all Asians scores high at all. Just 10% more of them than others are doing something good.</p>
<p>I understand Asians tend to live together in certain areas. All Asian students in these high Asian population high schools can hold top 10% spot of the schools. I wonder, now, if there are more Asian students with high SAT and not-so-good-ranking/GPA?</p>
<p>For those curious about this, there’s data here, though it’s a bit out dated now - <a href=“http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-17.pdf[/url]”>http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/censr-17.pdf</a>. While over 50% of Indians and Pakistanis have at least a bachelor’s degree, over 50% of Hmong and Cambodians don’t even have a high school diploma. My guess is that the former is more likely to have immigrated for higher education (and maybe not as assimilated as Chinese or Japanese?) or were already pretty wealthy before coming over, while the latter is mostly made up of refugees. Pretty different backgrounds for groups of people that are both “Asian.”</p>