<p>"* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: −50
* Recruited athletes: +200
* Legacies (children of alumni): +160"</p>
<p>Asians lose 50 points automatically????? That's totally messed up. Screw affirmative action (assuming this is a reliable source of course).</p>
<p>its not affirmitive action</p>
<p>It's a reliable source..How can Princeton not be reliable???!!?!?</p>
<p>Asians are smart because of the way they are brought up. Asian parents are the ones who take their children to the public library while they're still in diapers and read to them. They dedicate time at home to advanceing their kid's math/science skills. If they don't feel like their child's teacher is doing a good job, they don't complain- they just teach them extra stuff at home. Asians grow up in households with high standards, and they accept these standards as the norm (especially when they're young.) If their families are well-off, their parents are willing to pay for anything (summer programs, extra classes, studying abroad, etc.) if they feel like it will make their child a more competitive student.
Maybe this isn't the case with all parents, but that's how it is with mine.</p>
<p>Some are...the only difference is whether one's parents have an agenda or not. I have met Asians who have parents w/o agendas, and they are not very driven and are average or above-average acdemically. I have seen burned-out Asians who spent all of their time playing musical instruments, and their academics suffer in a big way. I have also seen Asians whose parents have major agendas; as a result, they are near or at the top of the class (and have plenty of awards to boot)-but they hate mantaining the level that they currently own. In Japan and other Asian countries parents focus on what will gain them prestige, since that is all they have to offer. (This is pronounced in Japan and Korea with the kyoiku-mama, who obsess all the time about what their child is doing; they will go so far out of the way as to cook special meals and go back to school so the children can pass entrance exams or score well on tests, since most schools use numerical rankings.) Many of these people-who are relatively wealthy-are the type of people that bring their children to America, where they keep the same values; thus Americans only see the overdriven Asian child as a result. However, back at home, there are dumb and smart Asians alike.</p>
<p>the difference is the environment at home. Asians, indians, etc, those considered the smarted races, have parents who value education more so than blacks and hispanics. This will not apply to everyone, so please take no offense in it, but for the majority of people this is the case. Asians have pressure to success while blacks are more likely to succeed only if they have some sort of intrinsic motivation</p>
<p>there are also many asian people in america that dont even know who in their family were first generation</p>
<p>in fact MOST "asians" are NOT first generation</p>
<p>Lol "we're going down swinging", my mum made me and my sis go to the library in the holidays when I was like 7. She didnt care what we did in there (we borrowed board games and played) , as long as we got used to the feel of the library. It was a pretty good card to play considering I feel the most comfortable in the library (in terms of studying).</p>
<p>My parents are exactly like yours. Especially about the money thing.</p>
<p>well getting the feel of the library is good, but forcing little kids to read is alien to me</p>
<p>what parents really need to do is get kids to play cards, majiang, strategy games, social games, and sports</p>
<p>W T F @ the OP.</p>
<p>AznNerd,</p>
<p>I'm not going to say anything about correlations between race and intelligence. It's common knowledge that intelligence is largely genetic. However, intelligence covers a wide array of skills and attributes...your post is a crude oversimplification.</p>
<p>It's great to be Asian and proud of it. There's nothing wrong with that; in fact, we could use a bit of extra assertiveness given our stricter backgrounds.</p>
<p>But you...good ol' you.</p>
<p>You're the type of tool that gets fed how great you are all your life. You're the asian who follows his parents wishes strictly, looks down on other ethnicities, and dreams for an Ivy League education. Your life ends there for now. In the future, keep this up and you'll just be the older tool, whether rich, poor, or mediocre, who furthers all asian stereotypes and is proud of it. You live life thinking you are the best, the spotlight is on you, never realizing that you're just another speck of dust on this earth, a product of the influences around you.</p>
<p>Book smarts is one thing. Common sense is another. You're lucky you posted this is a predominantly Asian forum. Your posts are uneducated and offensive. You are rude, conceited, hypocritical, and condescending. You created this thread to flatter yourself and to display the superiority of your race over others.</p>
<p>I hope you grow up soon.</p>
<p>Let's make some things thing clear here...</p>
<p>The Asian adults who immigrated to the United States at some point over the last century represent the crem-de-la-crem so to speak of their native countries. In order to get the documentation and financial support to come over to Westerm counries like the United States, many foreigners(Asian and non-Asian alike) must prove that they are among the top of the scholars by taking very rigorous placement tests. Therefore, if you only have the smartest and most motivated Asians, Europeans, Africans, etc. adults in the United States, chances are that theri kids(the children of immigrants on CC) are also going to be bright and possess that same drive for success, based on genetical and environment factors.</p>
<p>Let me put this more bluntly, if you took the smartest white people in America(top 1% or so) and transported them to China or India, the Americans would be wiping the floor with the Asians academically!!!:p Even though one might respond by saying my claim is exaggerated since the culture and education system in Asian countries is much stricter...however, Amercians definitely make up for the lack of rigor in their lower(elementary/middle) education through the systematic methods that American schools often use to teach kids basic concepts, which forces these children to memorize these fundamentals and be able to apply them to much more complicated scenarios later in life.</p>
<p>I want all Americans on this site to stop judging Asian Americans by referring to them all stereotypically as "brainy" and "intelligent" without understanding that most Asian families here in the United States are the product of natural selection and a sort of game of "survival of the fittest" played in their native countries where BEING able to travel and reside in the United States is the ultimate prize, which would therefore make it applicable to any culture, not just ASIANS!!!</p>
<p>I kind of agree with TropicalTriceps. Although I'm Asian myself, this thread completely reeks of subtle self praise and self pats on the back.</p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief on this board, not all Asian parents are like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://correlationnotcausation.com/%5B/url%5D">http://correlationnotcausation.com/</a></p>
<p>(It'll probably just seem REALLY weird, if you don't get the whole Asian parents deal :P . It's rather funny nonetheless)</p>
<p>Anyways, most of the Asians at my school are just like everyone else. I don't know if people here are speaking from outsiders' points of views, but it's not like what you guys are describing at all... In fact at my school, alot of times you can see Asians (and whites/hispanics/etc) scrambling to finish the homework right before the bell or during class. </p>
<p>I'm Asian, I have decent grades, a relatively high SAT score, and I happen to be a pathological slacker (ok, may I just slack off a lot :P) as well. My parents don't threaten to murder me if I get a B on my Physics test, or if I didn't get a perfect on my PSATs. Honestly, they're pretty much like white parents (I think). Although, the situation is slightly different with some of my friends, it's not close to what is described in the highly satirical comic above.</p>
<p>It's a combination of both nature and nurture. And we neglect to mention the HUGE variation that Asians have. The standard deviation of their SAT scores are higher than that of other races - a graph I saw showed that controlling for income, GPA for Asians was higher than everyone else at high levels of income, and then lower than whites at low levels of income. THere is a difference between East Asians and Southeast Asians.</p>
<p>I've read the Bell Curve, which many sociologists hate, considering how much it is centered on IQ scores. And yes, I don't think IQ scores = everything either. Point is, that the way academia is structured, Asian values (and arguably, genes as well) give their kids the highest ones.</p>
<p>And as someone pointed earlier, it's the smart Asian parents who get to immigrate to the United States via VISAs which let them do graduate study, and graduate students are obviously smarter than the general population. Ask overachieving Asians what degrees their parents own - that will explain a hell of a lot.</p>
<p>Oh and Asians have also become substantially smarter with the decrease in opium usage</p>
<p>This is a very important topic. I applaude AznNerd for having the guts to bring it up. We live in a society where being "politically correct" sometimes makes people blind and illogical that they can't think objectively. </p>
<p>The topic of race and intelligence is a complicated one. But the general consensus among IQ experts is that race have at least SOME influence on IQ. So in a way, Asians are smarter than many other races.</p>
<p>There was a study call IQ and Wealth of Nations that claims smarter people are wealthier.</p>
<p>The East Asian nations have the highest IQ. (The author randomly gave China a lower score than what it should've been. According to the Shanghai test, China's IQ is 109. Read it carefully.)</p>
<p>This explains why Japan, Korea, HK, and Taiwan are rich. This explains why Japanese cars are dominating the planet. This explains why China is having the fastest economic growth in human history once communism is abolished. This explains why HK and Singapore transformed themselves from third-world status to worldclass centers in 30 years. This explains why Japan was able to transform itself into a superpower TWICE in the past 100 years.</p>
<p>It also explains why Africa is suffering under famine when it has all those empty land. It explains why Africa still cannot provide basics like clean water even when it borrows billions of dollar, which they don't back anyway. It explains why economy in many African nations are growing NEGATIVELY. Of course, South Africa, which is the only African nation with a significant white population, is MUCH more wealth than the rest. Coincidence? </p>
<p>The leftist always say things like "it's because of culture". What "culture" are you talking about? When they did IQ test on different people, they choose babies that were raised under the same family (adopted), and they choose babies that were raised under the "same culture". The IQ gap still exist. </p>
<p>Some experiment were also done on mental reflex time (a brain activity that has nothing to do with culture), it turned out there are differences too. Basically they had people press buzzers and had their brains hooked to some computer. It turned out Asians had faster brain activity. It had nothing to do with culture.</p>
<p>Speaking of culture, it seems smarter people have more sophisticated cultures. That's why Chinese and Japanese (knock off of Chinese) have the most sophisticated and subtle social etiquettes known to men. The social interactions so very complex in East Asian nations. </p>
<p>When the Chinese first came to America, they were treated badly and were poor too. After generations later, the Chinese today are on average, even more successful than whites. How come the "other minorities" cannot achieve the same thing? Why is that bankers are most willing to loan out money to East Asians? Why is that real estate value is the highest where Asians are the most plentiful and the lowest where the ghettos are? </p>
<p>Why does Chinese in Southeast Asia dominate the economy when they are only a tiny fraction of the population. In fact, the Indonesians (not real "Oriental") are so jealous of the Chinese wealth they had to use violence. This brings up another point, stop using the word "Asian" or "Azn" to describe Orientals. </p>
<p>Only Orientals are smart. Not Southeast Asians like Malays or Thais or pacific islanders or whatever.</p>
<p>Orientals = Chinese, Japanese, Korean. Only they are smart</p>
<p>But of course, they all belong the the Chinese cultural sphere. </p>
<p>Of course IQ is everything given that the only reason we humans are superior to other animals is because of IQ. But IQ is nothing if the government is oppressive, like in China.</p>
<p>joejia, I must applaud you for your quote " We live in a society where being "politically correct" sometimes makes people blind and illogical that they can't think objectively." I'll add it to my list of favorite quotes. I don't think your comments will be taken very nicely, however - since you draw such extreme conclusions when many other variables can explain the effect. For one thing, most African countries are now only independent for a few decades - and most European nations did not provide African countries with much guidance after they let them declare independence. So they haven't had much time. </p>
<p>Politics often determines these situations much more than IQ does. So what if you have a stupid ruler - both Japan and China were backwards in the 1800s due to extremely conservative feudal rulers who resisted change. </p>
<p>Also, how do you measure IQ among people of other countries anyways? Do you measure them to the same standard, in which cultural bias will inevitably take place? Or do you measure them to different standards, in which they're no longer really comparable?</p>
<p>Another narcissist (joejia) hops aboard.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter what the statistics show and whether your assumptions are right or not. You don't talk about these things except with very intimate people, and even then it's not a topic of heavy discussion. The so called "smart ones" keep these things to themselves. Social hierarchies are common knowledge especially when you get older. Extolling the superiority of asians is plain stupid. It's as relevant as bragging about a tiny p e n i s. Get in a fight with a big black man and your ahole will never be there same. Races have central strengths. If they didn't they'd be like the neanderthals - wiped out. IQ does not make humans superior. Motives do.</p>
<p>some ppl are way too serious, but its these ppl that make sure CC so special</p>
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For People's Republic of China, the authors used a figure of 109.4 for Shanghai and adjusted it down by an arbitrary 6 points because they believed the average across China's rural areas was probably less than that in Shanghai.
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<p>6 points is a very significant difference. ANd what really determines social mobility in China anyways? Mobility between farms and the city? Is it more due to meritocracy awarding smarter students jobs in the city, or is it more due to other factors that may affect this "meritocracy" or prevent this "meritocracy" from occuring in the firt place? Of course, it's a combination of both. But which is more important?</p>
<p>Oh, and the fact that the data came only from Shanghai residents - Shanghai definitely IS NOT a representative sample of the entire country. WHich brings into doubt, many of the results of the other countries.</p>