<p>I really want to go to UC Berkeley but they accept only about 8% of out of state students!</p>
<p>Unless there are extenuating circumstances I tend to not recommend going to an out of state public school. Where else are you looking at? How many OOS students they let in is irrelevant - you get in or you don’t.</p>
<p>Berkeley is increasing OOS undergrad enrollment from 10% to 20%.</p>
<p>If you’re aware that you will be paying more for less with little or no hope for a scholarship or aid, then go for it. There are very few public school programs that this is not true for.</p>
<p>I don’t think the difficulty of getting into Berkeley from OOS is a good reason not to apply. Their admissions standards still aren’t that difficult.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s the best time ever to apply from OOS! You will need to be able to afford it though.</p>
<p>Total cost of UCB for OOS is now over $50,000.</p>
<p>^ and total cost for many privates this year will be $58,000, without any aid.</p>
<p>I can think of many reasons why an OOS student, especially one with interest in Engineering, or even not, would prefer Berkeley to some similarly rated privates like Vandy, Notre Dame, Hopkins, WashU, Cornell, etc. etc.</p>
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<li>maybe someone wants to work in Silicon Valley after graduation</li>
<li>maybe someone just wants the CA experience or CA weather</li>
<li>maybe someone wants Big Time DI sports</li>
<li>maybe someone knows Berkeley’s name is equivalent to Stanford’s overseas</li>
<li>maybe someone knows Berkeley’s domestic prestige is equivalent to Stanford’s in some fields</li>
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<p>etc.</p>
<p>you need to have thanked the two SAT subject test and meat their out of state student GPA.</p>
<p>OP, almost twelve thousand students (11,939 to be exact) from places outside of California applied to Berkeley last year, and a good percentage of them received offers - 29.4%, to be exact. </p>
<p>If you want to apply to Berkeley, I think this would be a great time to do it, as Berkeley is trying to increase full-paying OOS on campus. </p>
<p><a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp</a></p>
<p>Wow, 50k…that’s just outrageous if you ask me. I was thinking of applying but I thought it was 30k max</p>
<p>$50k is for an OOS student living on-campus in the dorms…including food, transportation, books, etc…essentially all living costs.</p>
<p>OOS adds $22,670 to budget figures presented here:
<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/general.asp?id=26[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/general.asp?id=26</a></p>
<p>You can knock off $1,396 in insurance costs if you can prove you’re covered by your parents policy.</p>
<p>I agree it’s not cheap.</p>
<p>Berkeley and UCLA are worth it. Anything else probably isn’t due to cost.</p>
<p>for what an OOS student pays at a UC school you can find a good private that will offer smaller class sizes, more personal attention, a faculty advisor, etc. They are still a good deal for in-state students, the substantial discount vs a private offsetting the drawbacks. But I would not recommend them OOS.</p>
<p>^ Maybe, but not for computer science or Haas, at least.</p>
<p>UCSD and UCSB are really worth OOS rates too, if money isn’t really a problem for your family.</p>
<p>Living abroad, I can tell you that Berkeley has an outstanding international reputation. That makes the OOS tuition worth it to anyone looking farther afield than the US for work.</p>
<p>of those 12K oos applicants to UCB, I bet most of them are international. I think to international students, it is worth the money because they will be oos no matter where they goto. We have several friend’s S or D from NJ did get admitted to UCB and we have advice them not to unless there is a dire need to be in CA for some reason. This is not bashing UC, but from a cost/benefit point of view, it is not very cost effective for non-international OOS students.</p>
<p>Even Cal State schools have more international presence, we know, since my DW works for the CSU system.</p>
<p>^ Actually, of those almost 12,000 OOS applicants to Berkeley, only 4,750 were from foreign countries. All the rest were from the US. <a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp</a></p>
<p>Berkeley is now trying to expand its OOS by up to 20% from something like 5% just about 2 years ago. 23% of the current freshmen are OOS. So, this year’s freshmen are more diverse than ever. </p>
<p>A New Yorker in Berkeley. [08.23.2010</a> - Incoming freshmen on the move – from here, there, everywhere](<a href=“Incoming freshmen on the move – from here, there, everywhere | Berkeley News”>Incoming freshmen on the move – from here, there, everywhere | Berkeley News)</p>
<p>24.7% from CA
34.3% out-of-state students
22% Internationals</p>
<p>These numbers include spring admits also. It looks like Cal was actively trying to increase oos students. </p>
<p>The floor for non-resident qualification is higher certainly, which could be one of the reasons for the 34% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>If you can afford oos tuition and want to experience CA, then apply to whatever schools attract you wrt geography of the state. A good place to start might be UCB, UCSB, UCLA. Also, UCB and UCSB are seemingly opposite poles, while UCLA is somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>For a few specialized programs, the UCs can definitely be worth the OOS price, but not for standard liberal arts fare. Specialty programs would include Engineering and Chemistry at Cal, dance/theater at UCLA, biomed Eng at SD, enology at Davis…</p>
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<p>For someone who has talked a lot / posted a lot about prestige, UCSD and UCSB don’t have name recognition and / or prestige outside California, and therefore, unless the OOS student is determined to stay in California, I wouldn’t see the point of paying OOS prices even if the family had tons of money. What’s the point of paying OOS prices for a non-notable OOS school? UCBerkeley and UCLA are different stories. </p>
<p>And now all the Californians will chime in about how wonderful UCSD and UCSB are. And I’m sure they are very fine schools. But don’t kid yourself that people outside California / the west coast have heard of them.</p>