<p>BOTH of those sites mention environment too...a combo as I said..you just convieniently left out that part. What luck!</p>
<p>The question of HOW gays are the way they are is irrelevant, what we need to discuss is why it's still an issue in today's day and age.</p>
<p>Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is the **result of a combination of environmental, emotional, hormonal, and biological factors.* In other words, there are many factors that contribute to a person's sexual orientation, and the factors may be different for different people.*</p>
<p>I guess this is the umm...best I have seen so far. I wouldn't put any stock in APA's reports. Not only is psychology at best a pseudoscience, I have encountered some ridiculous material from these characters.</p>
<p>"There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."</p>
<p>The point is...you dont "pick and choose" your sexuality, genetics or environmental, it doesnt matter either way. What difference does it make?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.queerbychoice.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.queerbychoice.com/</a></p>
<p>There.</p>
<p>I honestly don't care eitherway, to tell you the truth. Just leave religion out of this.</p>
<p>Haha, notice how that's not part of the accepted view of the 99% of the medical/scientific community, theres a reason for that. The site is ridiculously shady...I'll let the readers of this thread decide which sources are more credible...</p>
<p>and even IF it was choice determined...should it make a difference?</p>
<p>Well you seem to think it should make a difference and you keep forgetting my belief that homosexuality is A-Okay, but as for them having children, nay nay</p>
<p>I'm not reading some opinions on another thread btw</p>
<p>I don't care either. </p>
<p>Whether someone chooses to be homosexual, or whether the origins are biological or environmental, the fact is homosexuals should be treated with respect like everyone else.</p>
<p>What's wrong with homosexuals having kids?</p>
<p>Sittingbull, you never told me why I would be disappointed deep down...</p>
<p>You would. It's just an unexplainable fact. You wouldn't be as happy if he turned out gay. Don't even try to argue. You would accept, but you would probably be happier if he were straight. Homosexuals having kids is just not the best example and it would be awkward for the little kid.</p>
<p>now there's a point of view that needs conclusive evidence, sittingbull.</p>
<p>STOP I'm done arguing I really am. I could honestly give a damn at this point. You have your views, I have mine. It's done and I'm not providing anymore evidence. You can find B.S. for ANY view you want. I could find evidence that humans gave birth to a goat. This debate is over. I never participate in the debates in lit or history because it's so pointless. Have your own view and enjoy it because no one's budging.</p>
<p>It's not an argument, it is a debate.</p>
<p>What I am trying to delve at is why wouldn't I be as happy if he turned out gay? </p>
<p>Is it because of the norms of modern society on what is considered a "normal/successful" child? </p>
<p>If social norms convey the idea that orientation determines success and how happy I would be for my child, ignoring any personal qualities or accomplishments, doesn't that show a narrow way of thinking/viewing people?</p>
<p>Yes, yes it does and you can call me the narrowed-minded bull if you like. I could just imagine..."dad I'm gay"... "oh, ummm, cool...I guess" but no parent would be too thrilled with it and GAHHH what am I doing.....stop stop stop.....
*plus what about grandchildren??? </p>
<p>gah stop!</p>
<p>why do you worry so much about children being in a household with gay parents? what do you think is going to happen? the kids turning out gay? being molested? being beat? what?</p>
<p>Sittingbull i hate to break it to you, that happens in straight families all the time, imagine that- you know straight dads messing with their sons and daughters, straight parents having gay children, gay parents having straight kids, and people that mess with kids generally consider themselves straight but unfortunately have a thing for children, and that is not more prevelant percentage wise for gays</p>
<p>please explain what you think would happen to those kids?</p>
<p>as a mother, I could care less if either of my children were gay, really, I would worry more about people like sittingbull's intolerance and concern for what happens behind closed doors</p>
<p>Read this entire thread, I've mentioned something brief about a kid in school and some yadda if you really want to know because I'm not about to repeat myself.</p>
<p>As for kids, I am just posting what I already wrote down earlier in the thread.</p>
<p>
[quote]
I also don't understand the logic that two gay parents will "mess" up a kid. Anyone can mess up a child...whether you are straight, gay, bi...Sexual orientation does not determine parenting skills. Crappy parenting skills affects people from all walks of life whether you are rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight...it doesn't discriminate.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Okay, but no one asked for it and you also never explained about the kid who has to say he has 2 daddies in school.</p>