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Paraiso, you made no personal attacks? Care to clarify what this post to rahulnirmal2000 meant, "Now I SEE what your problem is... your a racist" and "*** is wrong with you?" and "Was 1994 an upsetting year for you? Huh huh?" Seem like personal attacks to me...
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<p>If you'd like to take it out of context, then please feel free to do so. Certainly I could've put it nicer (subtract the huh huh? which apparently does not convey my tone online) but the rest of my argument stands valid.</p>
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As far as you saying that I had never addressed you accusation tha supporting Israel is like supporting a racist regime, all I have to say is WOW! Did you even read the thread or were you just posting whatever popped into your head?
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<p>Uhhh... did you read the threads?</p>
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Silly me, I thought when me an rahulnirmal2000 agreed to stop arguing, and I posted "It is obvious no one here will change their minds. I respect the views and opinions of all those who spoke, and I only hope they respect mine", we were peacefully ending this because it had gone far past the point of a constructive discussion. Sadly, it seems that you're not even capable of recognizing such things.
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<p>Apparently I am not. :)</p>
<p>And please stop text-harrassing me ;) , your adressing me personally "Paraiso" while as you notice while I never did such a thing. I simply refuted arguments. (for the fifth time)</p>
<p>I didn't realize you take it so persoanlly to be called by your name... I apologize. How would like be to referred to you? The author of post #82?</p>
<p>In the news the doctors say they plan to put the medically induced coma until monday and say he's doing quite well actually, from what i've read in yahoo.</p>
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I didn't realize you take it so persoanlly to be called by your name... I apologize. How would like be to referred to you? The author of post #82?
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<p>He (and myself) quoted your post and responded. Is that too hard for you to do? LOL..</p>
<p>KillerAngel, trust me, if I was interested in playing the picture game, I would I post picture far worse than a picture of a burned bus.</p>
<p>You rephrasing of my question to "If you have a problem with Palestinians defending itself against Israli terrorist terror attacks, were you against America's war in Afghanistan following 9/11?" Doesn't work. Because the USA was RESPONDING to a terror attack. the IDF conducts operations as a RESPONSE.</p>
<p>You also wrote "Sharon is an IMMIGRANT!!!! He cant be having nationalistic views over other peoples nation." Actually, Sharon was bron in central Israel in Kfar Malal in 1928. Psst. Youre ignorance is starting to show you might want to do something about that </p>
<p>You posted a link to a website entitled "MediaMonitors" After a little looking around on their site, i noticed they have a disclaimer saying how non-bias they truly are. Sorry but when a news agency puts a disclaimer on their site saying how non-bias they are, and they have to have a banner saying the truth lies here, something starts to smell a little fishy...</p>
<p>Your comment of Looks like youre just mad at the rising population of Islam in India is way out of line. If you cant discuss without resorting to comments like that, you should be here.</p>
<p>You also wrote Maybe he should lay his hands from the porkchops from now on Again with the immature comments do you have anything well thought out to say? I thought not.</p>
<p>Damn it, I'm never going on these type of threads again, they eventually devolve into nothing but personal attacks. KillerAngel and Pariso are especially getting quite vocal, emotional and a bit immature over this sensitive issue. Letting your emotions take over reason, not good at all.</p>
<p>I know this is in reference not to my quote, but nonetheless, I want to restate the post where I referred to Sharon's nationality:</p>
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You also wrote "Sharon is an IMMIGRANT!!!! He cant be having nationalistic views over other peoples nation." Actually, Sharon was bron in central Israel in Kfar Malal in 1928. Psst. Youre ignorance is starting to showyou might want to do something about that
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<p>Anyways in post #51 I clearly wrote:</p>
<p>"Where did Sharon come from? "Sharon was born Ariel Scheinermann February 27, 1928 to a Jewish father of German-Polish origin and a Jewish mother, of Russian origin, in Kfar Malal, pre-state Israel."</p>
<p>So from my understanding he was an immigrant to Palestine who did not intend to defend his "motherland", or his new motherland... but wipe out the native population that had resided there for the past THOUSAND YEARS +."</p>
<p>If you want to go back and check. I DID NOTE that he was born in the region but in context was making reference to the fact he is not a Jew of Palestanian origins (As many Jews in Palestine are), but the child of immigrant jews, as opposed to Jews that had lived in the region for centuries. That does not pose a problem in itself but the FACT that Sharon clearly never had allegiance to his family's new home-nation, but acted as traitor who only desired to "but wipe out the native population that had resided there for the past THOUSAND YEARS"</p>
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Damn it, I'm never going on these type of threads again, they eventually devolve into nothing but personal attacks. KillerAngel and Pariso are especially getting quite vocal, emotional and a bit immature over this sensitive issue. Letting your emotions take over reason, not good at all.
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<p>Are you trying to make my argument seem invalid through ad hominem abuse? </p>
<p>No, you're arguments do have basis in them and aren't invalid at all. Though I feel that your delivery of them is flawed. I've noticed that you and KillerAngel seem to be far too much involved in this debate, much more so than the ones from the opposing side like me and ESD and you both need to take some chill pills pronto, no need at all for this to escalate into personal attacks and flame wars.</p>
<p>What exactly is making you think of the Israelis as violent, cruel butchers with superior technology and wealth and the Palestinains as the poor underdogs with limited resources that are treated like dirt??? Maybe its true, but you guys are being far too baised towards the Palestinians I'd say.</p>
<p>Don't you think its immature to call someone ( which was me by the way) a racist pig and a strong supporter of apartheid in which 1994 was his bad year JUST because I decide to support Israel instead of the Palestinians??? Learn to accept that there are people with differing opinions than your own and that you're aren't the right ones. You're views are not the correct ones.</p>
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No, you're arguments do have basis in them and aren't invalid at all. Though I feel that your delivery of them is flawed. I've noticed that you and KillerAngel seem to be far too much involved in this debate, much more so than the ones from the opposing side like me and ESD and you both need to take some chill pills pronto, no need at all for this to escalate into personal attacks and flame wars.
<p>Have I personally attacked any of you? Give me proof that I've acted immature and such. You both are acting far, far too defensive on this debate. You both should probably join a debate club if you haven't already.</p>
<p>Also, since both of you just view Sharon and the Israelis with pure, absolute revulsion and disgust and the Palestinains as poor victims and martyrs, what do you suggest should happen? Should Israel give up all of its land to the Palestinans and leave the land altogether? I personally feel that Israel should not have even given up the Gaza Strip to them, but thats just my view point, of course you both will HEAVILY disagree with me and maybe get all whiny and *****y about it.</p>
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What exactly is making you think of the Israelis as violent, cruel butchers with superior technology and wealth and the Palestinains as the poor underdogs with limited resources that are treated like dirt??? Maybe its true, but you guys are being far too baised towards the Palestinians I'd say.
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<p>The fact that it IS true. Look, you even almost admitted it. We're making progress, eh?
How do you think the Israelis would react if the palestinians had even half the resources they do?</p>
<p>What would be so terrible if this thread was closed? As I have said before, and continue to believe, I will not change your views to a position of pro-Israel, and you will not change my views to anti-Israel. The best we can hope for is a mutual respect and agreement to disagree, then leave it at that.</p>
<p>you know what's absolutely hilarious though?...someone accused someone else of a personal attack when they really didn't say anything personal at all...and that led to personal attacks....samsara..it's everywhere man :p</p>
<p>The Israelis would have the living $(@# scared out of them thats what if the Palestinians had half the resources they do. If I was an Israeli, I'd be freaking the hell out and would want some immediate action taken. I highly doubt these two groups will ever, ever live in peace. I guess we may have to resort to apartheid in this region....</p>
<p>I feel that this thread should be closed because we're now totally deviating from Sharon's stroke and now fully into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If you view Sharon as a fat, ugly, disguting pig and a butcher of innocent Palestinian children, why not create a new thread/poll about it???</p>