cont. - Israel&pals - the first suicide bomber after the gaza withdrawl

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<p>around 8:30 a suicide bomber went on an Israeli bus in the city of Ber-Sheva, asking the driver if the bus is going to the ''soroka'' hospital. the driver who noticed something suspicious about the bomber directed him to another bus and alarmed the security officers. once the bomber saw them he exploded himself up. both of the security officers are in critical condition, few civilians were also treated. this bomber was planning on exploading himself at the ''soroka'' hospital which is located at the city of beer-sheva.</p>

<p>how do you guys feel about it? what should Israel do? what should the pals do?</p>

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<p>just would like to point out that there is no wall where the attack happened (''negev'' area').</p>

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<p>Sharon: Hero and Goat of Gaza </p>

<p>by Patrick Buchanan</p>

<p>To see Jewish settlers evicted from homes they have lived in for decades, taking weeping wives and children back to Israel, is heart-wrenching. To see Israeli settlers spit in the faces of Israeli soldiers and call them "Nazis" evokes only disgust. </p>

<p>Who do these people think they are? Were it not for the Israeli army, they would not have lasted a week in Gaza. Gratitude isn't the long suit of the Zionist fanatic, two of whom murdered Palestinians to protest the removal of Jews from lands that do not and have never belonged to Israel. </p>

<p>For his resolve in removing the settlers, despite threats on his life, Ariel Sharon deserves credit. But for the settlers' being there, where they never belonged, he bears full blame. Both the tragedy and the debacle of this past week are Sharon's doing. </p>

<p>Gaza was never part of Israel. Its 1.3 million impoverished people are Palestinian refugees from the Arab-Israeli War of 1948, or their children and grandchildren. The Gaza Strip was overrun by Israel in the Six-Day War of June 1967, but never returned to Egypt. </p>

<p>In recent years, Israelis have trickled into Gaza and, though never numbering even 1 percent of the population, came to occupy a third of the land. They are colonizers in every sense of the word. </p>

<p>Israel's colonization of Gaza, using squatters subsidized by the state, was a violation of international law. The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits military occupiers from moving civilians onto their occupied land. And the Gaza land-grab was carried out in brazen defiance of UN Security Council resolutions and over the protests of Israel's great patron, the United States, which once candidly called these Israeli enclaves what they are: "illegal settlements." </p>

<p>But because the U.S. government lacked the moral courage to tell the Israelis to stop building settlements and start tearing them down – even as we showered Israel with $3 billion in annual aid – the Labor and Likud parties ignored the pathetic peeps of protest from our presidents to please desist. </p>

<p>The rampant animosity against America in the Arab world is but one of the fruits of our outsourcing Middle East policy to Tel Aviv. </p>

<p>What is going to happen now is wearily predictable. </p>

<p>After Sharon has withdrawn the last settler, he will demand $2.2 billion for his heroic achievement. The request, already in, breaks down to $1 million for every family moved out of Gaza. Bush and Congress, who only in May raised the death benefit for families of GIs killed in Iraq from $12,000 to $100,000, will fall all over one another expediting the latest tranche of U.S. tax dollars. </p>

<p>Then the scenario will play out as Dov Weisglass, ex-chief of staff to Sharon, mockingly described. Under the deal Weisglass cut with pliant Bush aides in 2004, ratified in Bush's public letter to Sharon, Israeli disengagement from Gaza and a few outposts on the West Bank "supplies the amount of formaldehyde necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians." </p>

<p>"What I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all," Weisglass said, "and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns." The "road map" – the peace plan agreed to by the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia – Weisglass merrily told the paper Ha'aretz, is dead. </p>

<p>If Sharon now informs President Bush that Israel has made a sacrifice of Gaza, and no more progress toward a viable Palestinian state can be made until all violence ends and Hamas and Islamic Jihad are disarmed, what will Bush do? </p>

<p>Nothing. Should Bush press Sharon to negotiate an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and an enclave in Arab East Jerusalem as a future capital of Palestine, Sharon will howl, the Christian Right will accuse Bush of selling out Israel, Tom DeLay will sponsor a joint resolution opposing pressure on Israel and Nancy Pelosi will happily endorse. The neoconservatives will cry "Munich!" and, if Condi Rice – who has shown moxie on the Mideast – pushes too hard, she will be instantly dropped from neocon wish lists of future presidents. </p>

<p>"Bibi" Netanyahu, who resigned as finance minister over Gaza, says the forced removal of settlers is a victory for Hamas. He is right. Had Hamas not attacked settlers in Gaza and civilians in Israel, Sharon would never have relinquished a square inch. </p>

<p>Terrorism is an immoral and illegitimate weapon of war. But the original sin that ignited this war was the illegal – indeed, insane – seizure of and settlement on Palestinian land, and the stubborn refusal by Israel to conclude a peace when they held the whip hand, which they will not hold forever. </p>

<p>As Weisglass warns, they will now behave the same way on the West Bank – and with the same result a decade hence. </p>

<p>Where there is no vision, the people perish.</p>

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<p>I think Israel should go and level the West Bank Palestinian Areas and use this as a perfect excuse to end all Peace talks. Israel killed 5 Palestinians despite a ceasefire to provoke just this kind of reaction. Arik does this everytime there is movement toward Peace. A massive incursion to kill as many Palestinians as possible should be pursued and who cares what the worlds reaction will be, Israel ignores the world and gets away with heinous crimes anyway. </p>

<p>Thank God an alert Israeli citizen noticed the suicide bomber and no one was killed in this terrorist attack that Sharon intentionally provoked.</p>

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<p>How can you say that Sharon provoked the attack? The 5 Palestinians they killed were militants. If you are protecting them, you are not a civilized individual. If Israel hadn't killed them, each one of them would have helped kill even more Israelis. </p>

<p>I think it is a rediculous arguement to say that Israel "forces the Palestinians to blow themselves up." Israel has stated that Abbas needs to disarm the terror orgs, and I read an article this morning where he said he won't. How can peace be achieved if the Palestinians refuse to stop violence?</p>

<p>""Bibi" Netanyahu, who resigned as finance minister over Gaza, says the forced removal of settlers is a victory for Hamas. He is right. Had Hamas not attacked settlers in Gaza and civilians in Israel, Sharon would never have relinquished a square inch." </p>

<p>This attitude is precisely what is going on. Hamas thinks they are winning, and now the Palestinians support terror even more than ever before.</p>

<p>My suggestion is Israel doesn't evacuate any more land until the Palestinian Authority has taken active measures in stopping terrorism. Until then, they have every right to do whatever necessary to protect their citizens, whether it be building a wall, or doing raids on militant's hideouts.</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-27-palestinians-hamas_x.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-27-palestinians-hamas_x.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-28-israel-hamas_x.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-08-28-israel-hamas_x.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>seems like prep still hasn't learned the different between terror and defending against terror. let me put it down for you nice and simple:
killing 5 MILITANTS (ORG. MEMBERS) ISN'T terror, it's done to protect Israeli civilians against terror.
exploading in middle of an urban area (almost in a hospital for the matter) = TERROR, meaning fighting your war by killing as many civilians as possible. aiming at civilians.
this is just the perfect example. while Israel is fighting militants, the pals "respond'' by fighting Israeli civilians, and yet prep chooses to stand for the pals. why is it that I can admit for israeli errors but you can't possibly say:''there it is, the orgs are attacking israeli civlians while israel is trying to attack org members, that's in order to protect israeli civilians'' - can't you see the difference</p>

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<p>In the last three weeks 10 people have been killed (5 innocent) at the hand of Israelis and none killed by the Palestinians. </p>

<p>No one has claimed responsibility for the suicide attack.</p>

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<p>I can't believe Pat Buchanan said that- Israel is looking bad in the eyes of the Chrisitian fundamentalists.</p>

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<p>wrong, wrong - wrong again college. the org. named Jihad and Phattach claimed for responsibility. the 5 killed were killed by 2 people, one of them is dead and the other in jail, both did it on their on thought, not member of ANY org and were denounced by all political parties in Israel - where all pal. org are ''blessing'' upon the attack.
btw - phattach is abas' party - hhhmmm.</p>

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<p>Vanunu Slams
'Israeli Nazism'
YNet News.com
8-28-5</p>

<p>In interview with Egyptian weekly, nuclear spy accuses Israel of perpetrating 'Holocaust' against Palestinians; says Jewish state is a 'negative democracy' that ruins the world. Vanunu is also upset about world's dependence on cellular phones </p>

<p>Israel treats people like animals, and its conduct towards the Palestinian constitutes a "Holocaust," nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu charged in an interview with Egyptian weekly al-Ahram. </p>

<p>"That's what Nazism did, and that's what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, and me," Vanunu said. </p>

<p>According to Vanunu, the Israeli government constantly mentions the Holocaust, but "then I arrived and made them see the real problem is Israel's atom bomb. That's the real Holocaust, and the attitude to the Palestinians." </p>

<p>The nuclear spy also issued a scathing attack on Israel's democracy and said the Jewish state creates problems for the entire world. </p>

<p>"The world moved towards freedom, democracy, liberty and equal rights, but then the State of Israel was established in 1948 and brought the world a type of negative democracy," he charged. </p>

<p>"In the name of national security, you can do whatever you wantlimit rights, make up laws, punish without trial. This system destroys everything built by the world since Ancient Greece," he said. </p>

<p>'Why don't we have God's number?' </p>

<p>However, Vanunu said he believes this state of affairs will not continue for long, while slamming Israel for increasingly becoming an apartheid state. </p>

<p>"They pretend they are a democracy, but one can see it's a state of Jewish racial supremacy. Yet I believe this will change in the future. The world will not be able to accept this. Had the Jewish people established a state a thousand years ago, we may have not been able to achieve the democratic principles in the world today." </p>

<p>Yet if attacking Israel was not enough, Vanunu found yet another target for his wrath cellular phones. </p>

<p>"We have become dependent on cellular phones," he said. "You can talk with anyone on the face of this earth, but you cannot talk to God. Why don't we have his number?" </p>

<p>The nuclear whistleblower also vowed to keep on interviewing despite a court order that limits his dealings with the media. Notably, the al-Ahram interview joins a series of other interviews given by Vanunu to various foreign media outlets. </p>

<p>Several months ago, the State Prosecutor indicted Vanunu on charges of revealing details about his work in Israel's nuclear reactor in Dimona during interviews, in violation of the limits placed on him.</p>

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<p>Sunday, August 21, 2005
Douglas Feith, radical Zionist</p>

<p>From The Bush Beat by Ward Harkavy in the Village Voice, you ought to read "Dual Disloyalty: Feith and the Occupations of Gaza and Iraq", the first time I've seen Douglas Feith's radical Zionism expressly connected with his ridiculous views on the Occupied Territories, his advocacy of the war on Iraq (remember he played a key role in creating the lies which led to the war), and his treatment of Arab prisoners in Iraq worse than if they were animals. On Feith's radical Zionism (but to be fair to Feith's father, Betar, his father's group, is much, much more moderate that the extreme Likudnik ideas of Feith, and I don't believe it's fair to slur his father as a 'a founder of Likud', although he was a terrorist against the British and Arabs - at a time when being a terrorist was apparently a good thing! - in the Zionist underground in Palestine in the 1940's):</p>

<p>"Feith is such a radical that he won't even refer to the West Bank as the West Bank — he uses the biblical names Judea and Samaria. And he doesn't even like to say 'occupied territories,' even though they are. In fact, our own government officially refers to them as 'occupied' and freely uses the term 'West Bank.' Just look at the CIA map of Israel above, and you'll see that Gaza and the West Bank are separate from Israel, and each carries an asterisk.</p>

<p>But there's no asterisk attached to Feith's version of Israel. The son of a founder of Likud, he has pursued a radical Zionist policy at the expense of Israel's own Jews, a majority of whom don't favor the settlers."</p>

<p>On allegations that Feith has dual loyalties, to Israel and the United States, a ridiculous charge, as Harkavy points out:
"Does Feith have divided loyalties? That's a common allegation leveled against those neocons and others who seem to put Israel's interests before those of the United States. It's clear, though, that Feith doesn't. His loyalty belongs to Israel and to its extremist politicians like Bibi Netanyahu, for whom he was an adviser."</p>

<p>Israel has absolutely nothing to worry about.</p>

<p>Putting a radical, Arab-hating, Zionist who worked solely for the interests of Israel in charge of promoting the disastrous American attack on Iraq and the subsequent spectacularly inhumane treatment of Arab prisoners is beginning to look like not such a good idea. The treatment of prisoners is so bad that the Pentagon is actually arguing that release of photos of the treatment will so inflame Arab sentiments that it would endanger American troops, and we can lay the blame for this treatment entirely on the Zionist view that Arabs are Untermenschen, and to Feith's personal implementation of this view. The truth is finally starting to appear. You can't insult the Village Voice by calling it part of the mainstream media, but it's close. It won't be long before Americans get to know what the rest of the world has known for years.</p>

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<p>are you actually quoting Vanunu as an evidence for anything?
again, you choose the most extreme people, this guy is totally crazy. </p>

<p>and why do you post articles? these are opiniative - not facts.
not worth replying for.</p>

<p>I saw an interview with a muslim scholar who believes that Islam today is teaching its children to kill and Islam culture is one of death. do you see me believeing that or giving that as evidence of anything? for that matter it would be like quoting the american who became a taliban warrior to show a point that america is evil.</p>

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<p>After every ''victory'' you have more enemies. </p>

<p>~Jeanette Winterson</p>

<p>Our children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate.</p>

<p>~Thomas della Peruta</p>

<p>Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence.</p>

<p>~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn</p>

<p>The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same.</p>

<p>~Marie Beyle</p>

<p>Although tyranny...may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people.</p>

<p>~Hannah Areddt</p>

<p>I hate those men who would send into war youth to fight and die for them; the pride and cowardice of those old men, making their wars that boys must die.</p>

<p>~Mary Roberts Rinehart</p>

<p>Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.</p>

<p>~George Washington</p>

<p>The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault.</p>

<p>~Major Ralph Peters, US Military</p>

<p>Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.</p>

<p>~Benjamin Franklin</p>

<p>War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. </p>

<p>~General Smedley Butler</p>

<p>Imperialism is an institution under which one nation asserts the right to seize the land or at least to control the government or resources of another people.</p>

<p>~John T. Flynn</p>

<p>I hate war for its consequences, for the lies it lives on and propagates, for the undying hatreds it arouses... </p>

<p>~Harry Emerson Fosdick</p>

<p>Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.</p>

<p>~Senator Robert M. La Fo</p>

<p>I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.</p>

<p>~George McGovern</p>

<p>I am not blaming those who are resolved to rule, only those who show an even greater readiness to submit.</p>

<p>~Thucydides</p>

<p>Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it.</p>

<p>~Noam Chomsky</p>

<p>Palestinians was/is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. The Zionists who believes himself the master of others is nonetheless a greater slave than they.</p>

<p>Hardstyle</p>

<p>It is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.</p>

<p>~Theodore Roosevelt</p>

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<p>No one respond to hardstyle. He is an elitist little brat who thinks his moronic ramblings are words of truth, and is a biznatch to Palestinian propoganda leaders. Some one is buddy buddy with Arafat!</p>

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<p>By the way, looking at your old posts, you are a complete propoganda TOOL. TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL. Look at you, every single post you either say, Zionism, Israel, or C Student from Yale.</p>

<p>"
Your son is going to love Brown University! Congratulations! I'm praying my daughter gets there or Yale. We have a ways to go as Prep School is stage one of her long journey to a first class well rounded incomparable education.
My state of CT is suing the Federal Government for requiring that kids be tested to death without providing scientific evidence this helps the child. Not only that The C Student from Andover doesn't want to finance this lousy program."</p>

<p>Go drink you Palestinian Propoganda Kool aid, you are pathetic, turning an internet forum for kids and parents worrying about college into you political message outlet.</p>

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<p>Excuse me, out of the FIVE so-called militants that Israel killed last week, THREE were members of Islamic Jihad and TWO were UNARMED TEENAGE BOYS. </p>

<p>You killed innocent people. What do you expect in return? </p>

<p>Yes, Palestinian officials did CONDEMN the suicide attack so I don't know where you come up with this garbage. Abbass has asked or "restraint" from both sides.</p>

<p>Again, all humans are equal. In your eyes the death of Palestinians means nothing because the Israeli view holds them to be sub-human.</p>

<p>Like I said, Israel is digging itself into a hole that it may never get out of. History is on our side and history proves that every tyrannical government came collapsing. </p>

<p>The word democracy and Jewish supremacy don't mix. The world is catching on and as I said before the tide seems to be turning to favor the Palestinians.</p>

<p>And the truth shall set us free.</p>

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<p>Now, answer this question-</p>

<p>Why is Israel showing no intention of a West Bank withdrawl????</p>

<p>Why are they showing no interest in Palestinian statehood????????</p>

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<p>Da Tutle, please stop acting like a child.</p>

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<p>What should Israel do? In the face of this craziness--act rationally. To me, that means find these Svengali's who convince the destitute into blowing them selves up and "taking them out".</p>