Articles on Fr. Jenkin's Address

<p>Considering some of the questions that I have been fielding regarding what the social and "political" scene of ND is like at the present, I figured I might as well point some of you towards articles about a series of presentations that Fr. Jenkins has made this week regarding his positions on several of the issues that were brought in some of the earlier threads of this board.</p>

<p>Here is the article about the night when Fr. Jenkins addressed the Faculty:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/24/News/Jenkins.Says.Events.Conflict.With.Values-1502834.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/24/News/Jenkins.Says.Events.Conflict.With.Values-1502834.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/24/News/Faculty.Angry.Pleased.With.First.Of.Academic.Addresses-1502835.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/24/News/Faculty.Angry.Pleased.With.First.Of.Academic.Addresses-1502835.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>And here is a series of stories about his presentation to the Student Body the following day:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/25/News/Speeches.Evidence.Of.Jenkins.Leadership.Emergence-1504182.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/25/News/Speeches.Evidence.Of.Jenkins.Leadership.Emergence-1504182.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/25/News/University.Presidents.Remarks.Met.With.Applause.Criticism.From.A.Divided.Student-1504184.shtml?sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://media.www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2006/01/25/News/University.Presidents.Remarks.Met.With.Applause.Criticism.From.A.Divided.Student-1504184.shtml?sourcedomain=www.ndsmcobserver.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The purpose of this post is not for me to advance my own opinions over the material discussed in these stories. Rather I offer them up because I know that they address issues about the climate here on campus that have been asked about by several of you. Additionally I would caution you to take these stories with a grain of salt. Some of the issues that Fr. Jenkins chose to address are somewhat "politically" charged here on campus and the reporting may reflect that a little bit...Personally I look forward to seeing what happens in the upcoming years, it will be an interesting change from the previous administration.</p>

<p>There was also an article about the addresses on the front page of today's Chicago Tribune.</p>

<p>I am very concerned with the actions to limit and in subsequent years to perhaps discontinue the Vagina Monologue performance, in addition to the actions to limit the Queer Film Festival - based on the determination that they are not consistent with Catholic teachings. </p>

<p>Though many disapprove and do not like the Vagina Monologues, the fact is that it is a performance that has been associated with V-Day activities (Violance Against Women) at College campus all around the country. Not allowing this to occur in its full scope is going to be perceived, perhaps actually is, an action to limit women's voices.</p>

<p>To limit and/or prevent an established, albeit controversial, voice because of consistency with Catholic teachings is a very dangerous position for a top twenty academic institution of higher learning. </p>

<p>Regardless of my personal opinion, I am concerned that Notre Dame will not be able to continue to maintain its high academic standing with the philosophy and practice of limiting voices inconsistent with Catholic teaching. Many of the "best and brightest" students will not want to go to a school with those limits. Many outstanding faculty will not want to stay or go to a school with those limits. I'm concered this action may enhance the Catholic identity, but severly deteriorate its standing for excellent liberal arts edcuation.</p>

<p>It seems to me that a prefered solution would be to allow the presence of these controversial voices as organized by the student groups and within the resources available at the institution. To not limit it based on the topic. In addition, because of the Catholic identity and the concerns raised by many - to enhance the presense of those in opposition via panel discussions and/or resources for the discussion of the Catholic position on the many issues raised as inappropriate. Doesn't that sound like what would occur at a top twenty academic institution with a Catholic identy?</p>

<p>i'm sure the other ND students on the board will chime in...personally I am waiting to see what comes out of this whole process before I say yay or nay...I hope Jenkins is serious about solliciting opinions and that he hasn't already made up his mind, but who knows. One things for sure, I think you will see some changes in the months to come.</p>

<p>Nemo, what do ND students think about Jenkin's agenda?</p>

<p>What do professors say about this issue in your classes, Nemo? I read the articles in the Observer, and thank you, Nemo, for posting them for others to read. </p>

<p>I tried to find the Chicago Tribune article without success. Could someone copy and paste some of that article of others to see.</p>

<p>I would like to know, Nemo (or others) if you find a difference of opinions about this between female and male students? Are most females supporting the VM and the Festival? Are most males against this? </p>

<p>I share NDparents concerns about a top 20 University censoring something like this?
Extremely upsetting and disappointing.</p>

<p>To clarify...Fr. Jenkins has never said anything about censorship. I think everyone needs to realize, that he did not say the Vagina Monologues would be banned, nor do any of the links above report that he planned to. In fact, the VM were not even the focus of his message to the students. They were only one factor in calling the subject of academic freedom and the Catholic identity of the University to discussion. </p>

<p>One of th main things that these two addresses have seemded to stress is Fr. Jenkin's concern that students understand the difference between censorship, which will not occur, and the implications of sponsorship. That is the issue he raised. Whether it was appropriate for the University or dept of this Univesity to sponser events such as the ones mentioned in the articles.</p>

<p>Here is the article from the Chicago Tribune:</p>

<p>Notre Dame reins in gay, women's events
University president says Catholic values may conflict with academic freedom</p>

<p>By Jodi S. Cohen
Tribune Higher Education Reporter
Published January 25, 2006</p>

<p>SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The University of Notre Dame's new president said Tuesday that he will put limits on two of the campus' most controversial events, saying the Queer Film Festival and performances of "The Vagina Monologues" raise concerns for the Roman Catholic school.</p>

<p>Rev. John Jenkins stopped short of canceling this year's events, scheduled for next month, but the 52-year-old scholar and priest said he would seek input from students, faculty and alumni before deciding whether the shows should continue in future years.</p>

<p>The play will be staged this year in a smaller lecture hall without ticket sales, and the film festival's name will be changed.</p>

<p>In an address, Jenkins acknowledged the "sacred" value of academic freedom but also said that value should not trump all other considerations at the Catholic school.</p>

<p>"In some situations, given the distinctive character and aspirations of Notre Dame, it may be necessary to establish certain boundaries, while defending the appropriate exercise of academic freedom," he told students in the second of a series of speeches this week about potential conflicts between academic freedom and Catholic values.</p>

<p>He argued that events should not be sponsored by the university, or one of its academic departments, when they are "contrary to or inconsistent with the fundamental values of a Catholic university." He said that by doing so, it appears that the university endorses the content of the events, which are sponsored by academic departments so they can be held on campus.</p>

<p>But he said he would spend at least the next six to eight weeks listening to others before making a decision on the future of the film festival and play.</p>

<p>The discussion, which has polarized the campus and the broader Catholic community, comes amid pressure for Catholic colleges to ban "The Vagina Monologues," a performance about female sexuality and violence against women. Twenty-one Catholic campuses have shows scheduled this year, according to the Cardinal Newman Society, a religious organization that has protested the performances.</p>

<p>Acknowledging that the film fest and monologues have drawn criticism, Jenkins said in an interview that his decision to address the issue was not in response to alumni pressures or a Vatican mandate.</p>

<p>Jenkins, who took over July 1 and is Notre Dame's third president in the last half-century, has said that maintaining Notre Dame's religious character will be difficult in a culture that has become both more secular and more radically religious.</p>

<p>He said he hopes his speeches this week will help the university community understand how he will make difficult decisions. While he will consider others' views, he said decisions will be based on what is best for the school and its mission--in his judgment.</p>

<p>"If the issue is something that touches on the Catholic Church, I have a special role to play in that decision," he said in an interview after his speech.</p>

<p>About 400 students attended his address Tuesday and more watched it on television in the student center. Jenkins spoke to faculty Monday and plans to meet with alumni Thursday.</p>

<p>Jenkins drew a distinction between limiting the individual speech of faculty members or students and putting boundaries on events sponsored by and held at the university.</p>

<p>Regarding the Queer Film Festival and "The Vagina Monologues," Jenkins said he fears it appears that the university is endorsing events that promote homosexuality and sexuality with no discussion of morality.</p>

<p>Jenkins said he will allow "The Vagina Monologues" to be performed this year, but only in a lecture hall. Jenkins also barred fundraising for the student performance, calling it an academic presentation instead. About $15,000 was raised last year for a YMCA and Sexual Offense Services, organizers said.</p>

<p>The 3-year-old Queer Film Festival, meanwhile, will change its name to Gay & Lesbian Film: Filmmakers, Narratives, Spectatorships, said student co-chair Harry Karahalios.</p>

<p>Discussions during the Feb. 9 to 11 event will be limited to topics related to film and not homosexuality, Jenkins said.</p>

<p>Notre Dame senior Kaitlyn Redfield, who has organized "The Vagina Monologues" performance for the last three years, said the play is one of the few avenues where students feel empowered to talk about sexual violence against women.</p>

<p>"What you will be shutting down is free inquiry and the open discernment of faith," said Redfield, one of about 16 students who addressed Jenkins.</p>

<p>All but one of the students spoke against Jenkins' position, but they later argued outside the auditorium with more than a dozen students who favored limiting such events.</p>

<p>"The `Vagina Monologues' is an expression of sexuality that is not in line with Catholic teaching and goes against the ideals of a Catholic university," said senior Arina Grossu, 22.

Others said they see the potential elimination of the events as a regression after years of moving toward the acceptance of diverse lifestyles. While the university does not recognize gay and lesbian student groups, there is a committee on Gay and Lesbian Student Needs.

History and gender studies professor Gail Bederman said that when she started teaching at Notre Dame 13 years ago, students wouldn't say the world "gay" in class. Now students wear T-shirts that say, "Gay? Fine by Me."

She disagreed that sponsoring an event implicitly means agreement with the content.

"Universities sponsor all sorts of activities that they don't advocate," Bederman said, adding that she still praised Jenkins for addressing the issue.

"As the new president, it has been a hot potato dumped in his lap," she said. "For the president to stand up and say something that is not going to be popular, and to say `this is my opinion but I want to know what you think,' is just extraordinary."</p>

<p>nemo2001
I agree with your message. According to the Observer articles, Fr. Jenkins has specifically stated that censorship, as he defines it, will not occur. The challenge is going to be defining "acceptable" denial of sponsorship without it actually being a form of censorship. These are the issues he has solicited feedback from Faculty and students.</p>

<p>The Vagina Monologues is not banned this year, but has been moved to a classroom from the performing arts center in which it was presented as a theatrical production last year. This was done because there are those who do not like the messages presented in the Vagina Monologues - because inconsistent with Catholic teaching. And there is the very real potential that it will be banned next year. This uncertainly is described in the articles you references. </p>

<p>As you said - this isn't just about the Vagina Monologues. You are absolutely right and because this raises serious broader issues there is significant discussion on campus. When you begin imposing limits or preventing voices inconsistent with Catholic teaching - where do you stop. What is acceptable vs non-acceptable sponsorship and who decides? </p>

<p>If it is acceptable, as referred to in one of the articles that a student in creative writing can present his papers on campus and at national competitions even if his writings are inconsistent with Catholic teachings, why is it unacceptable for a group of students to present the Vagina Monologues. How and by whom will the line be drawn??</p>

<p>President Jenkins should be applauded for bringing this issue to the attention of so many faculty and students. He should also be praised for soliciting feedback and for expressing his willingness to be open to perpectives that will honor both academic freedom and Catholic Character. I hope he has read and I hope you read an article titled "The speech that wasn't" in the Viewpoint section of today's Observer - address below. I think it was beautifully written and I personally hope the perspective and actions recommended in that article will be endorsed and followed by Fr. Jenkins. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/home/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/home/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I have to say, I admire the fact that Jenkins is aware of the mission of a Catholic University. Georgetown is hanging onto it's Catholicity by a spider strand. I also think the topic of violence against women is incredibly important. My question: is the Vagina Monologues the only or best avenue for Notre Dame to use to prompt the discussion of the issue? Are there no other options to raise this topic?</p>

<p>Where to draw the line is also the point. Remember the artist with the cow dung on the Virgin Mary in NYC a few years ago? In the name of artistic freedom, should ND allow that type of art in a sponsored show? Obviously not. So when, if ever, should sponsorship of programs that are against Catholic theology be denied or allowed?</p>

<p>Excellent thread and good points all around.</p>

<p>To answer some of the questions I have been hearing from a student's perspective.</p>

<p>I am very very happy with what Fr. Jenkins is doing; it is what I have been praying for for quite some time now. Fr. Malloy in my opinion made several mistakes in his tenure and took us down the road that Georgetown went. Fr. Jenkins recognizes this and has the courage to step up and call it out. I believe he will be honest with it and will look at both sides before doing anything but really one has to question if the VM's or the QFF belong at a truly Catholic university I feel. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/ensler/vm/excerpt.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.randomhouse.com/features/ensler/vm/excerpt.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>There is an excerpt from it and not only does it have things that I think are crude and is written by a strong pro-choice advocate but it even does some Catholic bashing in the excerpt with something that is not even true. I think that any school that is truly Catholic should at least question if it should be going on.</p>

<p>Jenkins is going about this the right way because he could have cancelled it but he wants to get input first and that is what he is doing I think.</p>

<p>As for what the students think, it depends on the major. I walked into my psychology class (I hide the fact that I am conservative, you unfortunately have to with psych) and was immediately asked by three students about my outrage on the issue. It was pretty clear where the psych majors stood, but then again I am pretty much the lone conservative psych major.</p>

<p>I think overall the students are pretty split with a slight majority favoring Jenkins but that is just my guess. Those who appose it just are much louder right now.</p>

<p>I think the faculty are mostly against it but there have been a couple who have spoken strongly for it. FTT is especially enraged and questioned if ND should be able to have A Merchant in Venice (I think that was the play) because some have called it anti-semetic. Now I see a difference between A Merchant in Venice and the VM's but maybe that is just me.</p>

<p>Anyways, I hope that helps.</p>

<p>Thank you, Irish 68178. Jenkins is courageous, and so are you. Funny how silent the silent majority is. It's almost as though standing up for what is sane, reasonable, ethical and values-driven is something to be ashamed of. Finally, a university represents academic integrity, unabashed by a liberal-laden agenda. Enough is enough.
I dare say that the alumni community of ALL universities have had their fill of the runaway nonsense that is going on on college campuses. I would like to think that the University of Notre Dame would stand for that which goes beyond the rant of the "sheeple." Perhaps this is a step in the right direction.
Regarding Notre Dame's rank in the top 20, not to worry. I predict the convictions of Jenkins will lift Notre Dame beyond expectations. There are thousand of conservative, conscientious, and brilliant high students out there who are craving the values that so many universities have left behind. Perhaps Notre Dame shall lead the way.</p>

<p>wildcat014 thanks for posting the Chicago Tribune article.</p>

<p>NDparent thanks for pointing out Professor Glenn Hendler ("The speech that wasn't," Jan. 26) edition of The Observer. That was a respectful, beautifully written letter suggesting how to approach this very difficult and VERY important ISSUE.</p>

<p>Sabrina would you clarify if you are a current student? I see this is your first post.</p>

<p>If you are a student could you describe the atmosphere at the campus, would say the campus is fairly split on these issues as Irish pointed out? </p>

<p>And, do you think there is a split between males and females on this? </p>

<p>Thank you, Irish for posting the link to VDAY. I admit to not being well informed about it, although two weeks ago I was invited by a female friend ( who happens to be Catholic, who also happens to have had a gay brother) to see a local performance of VM this year. I will certainly go and keep in mind the ND issues with this play. </p>

<p>I found this info from Irish's link: about VDay and realize that this play has helped raise awareness around the world, raising a significant amount of money.</p>

<p>This realization led in 1997 to the founding of V-Day, a nonprofit grass roots movement dedicated to ending violence against women around the world. In three years, V-Day has spread to over 300 colleges, where students and faculty have performed The Vagina Monologues on V-Day, February 14th, as part of a movement to stop violence against women. V-Day has raised over 3 million dollars which it has given to organizations fighting for the rights of women in Afghanistan, to stop genital mutilation in Kenya, and rape crisis centers in Bosnia, Croatia, and Chechnya, as well as hundreds of domestic programs to combat rape and abuse. Thanks to V-Day, The Vagina Monologues has been taken to 20 countries, including China, South Africa, The Philippines, Brazil and Turkey</p>

<p>There is no doubt that they do raise money and that they try to promote a very good cause. My argument is that there are much better ways to raise money and it just kind of seems to me that raising the money is completely separate from it. I don't know if that makes sense but I guess what I mean is in reading them I don't see anything in there that is about protecting women from violence. </p>

<p>While it does promote a good cause and they do raise money I just believe that it is not the best way to raise money or awareness. Also, I must admit, something about it doesn't strike me as genuine. It may be that that was their original intent but I don't see the connection between women talking about their vaginas and protecting women from violence. Other than raising money and maybe some awareness how does this help women? I don't know.</p>

<p>Also, my personal experience is that there really isn't much of a difference between men and women on the issue but it is more a conservative liberal issue. Conservatives are praising Jenkins for keeping Notre Dame Catholic and the liberals are saying it is against free speech issue and also it is against what a university should be like.</p>

<p>It is going to be interesting.</p>

<p>PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS WHOLE POST IS JUST MY OPINION ON THE VM's AND IT IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND. I DON'T KNOW THE ORIGINAL INTENT, I JUST DON"T SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS ALL. JUST PLEASE REMEMBER THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS.</p>

<p>Irish we are learning together, and I value your views as a current student at ND. This is a wonderful opportunity for us to find out more, so from your link I went to the V-Day website.</p>

<p>Irish you just questioned the link between violence to women and talking about vaginas.
So this is what I found, and perhaps ALL of us, including me will learn more about VM. Thank you Irish, for posting the link which got me to this:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vday.org/contents/vday/history%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vday.org/contents/vday/history&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>History
V-Day was born in 1998 as an outgrowth of Eve Ensler's Obie-Award winning play, "The Vagina Monologues." As Eve performed the piece in small towns and large cities all around the world, she saw and heard first hand the destructive personal, social, political and economic consequences violence against women has for many nations.</p>

<p>Hundreds of women told her their stories of rape, incest, domestic battery and genital mutilation. It was clear that something widespread and dramatic needed to be done to stop the violence. A group of women in New York joined Eve and founded V-Day . . . a catalyst, a movement, a performance.</p>

<p>V-Day’s mission is simple. It demands that the violence must end. It proclaims Valentine’s Day as V-Day until the violence stops. When all women live in safety, no longer fearing violence or the threat of violence, then V-Day will be known as Victory Over Violence Day.</p>

<p>Without making light of the situation, I really must admit that I just don't get it. Raising boys in this era, I am acutely aware of how boys are discriminated against , especially in public ed sytems. Yes, discrimintad against. I recenetly attended a high school dance and witnessed girls LEADING, gyrating hips, seductively moving to a point that mimicked -- well you know what I mean. Other parents and I agreed.......this is truly ironic, Yet, there is a scream for respect, equality, etc... If the VM, et al. is targeting the male audience, seeking understanding, compassion, etc..., perhaps a better approach would be to seek respect in everyday life. I just don't get it.
Violence against women? Yes, I'm sure it is real. However, there is also a problem with the forced feminization of boys, subduing the male character, understanding and accepting the difference between sexes, etc...Perhaps, a little more mutual respect in both directions would be to eveyone's mutual adavatage.But to receive respect, one must command respect. Some of the behaviors I've witnessed lately fly in the face of commanding respect. sad but true. If I were the mother of a young teenage girl, I would be mortified, based on what I recently observed in the dancefloor alone. Anyone out there know what I'm talking about?</p>

<p>I do. I don't even know where to begin I agree with you so much.</p>

<p>I am a feminist, in that I believe in equal pay for equal work, and equal respect as human beings. I do not believe women are greater than men, or the exact same as men but with different genitalia, or, for that matter, that men are "better" than women. </p>

<p>The feminist movement has just gone too far - talk about confusing young women. Acknowledging and celebrating women's sexuality has become promiscuity and oral sex performed on teen boys is just like kissing - definitely not sex, in teen girls' minds. </p>

<p>I have three sons (and one daughter) and boy, are the roles reversed. I feel I am constantly educating them to protect them from predatory sexual advances from girls.</p>

<p>It is incredibly important that girls are raised to feel empowered to stand up for themselves and that they expect equal respect and compensation. But we're losing a whole generation of girls to this madness. Our culture sells sex, and teen girls are the biggest consumers. If women want to be respected for more than their bodies, we'd sure better start by not emphasizing our bodies so much. </p>

<p>These waters are really muddies.</p>

<p>I think there are many men and women who agree with Sabrina1's opinions and questions. Which is exactly the point of why we need to keep the dialogue open - why a place like Notre Dame and college campuses all over the country need to draw attention to the different perspectives on these issues. </p>

<p>Regarding Sabrina1's message of Jan. 28, 10:45 pm, I agree with the point that "... more mutual respect in both directions will be to everyone's mutual advantage." I also agree with questioning the appropriatness of behavior and with docmom's outrage that many teens' think of oral sex as similar to kissing. However, I am extremely bother by what I think could be interpreted in Sabrina1's message as: young girls that LEAD in dances and dance provocatively, don't deserve respect. You did not say this directly - but I concerned that others could interpret it as dangerously close to: if they act a certain way - they deserve what they get. Obviously when it comes to violance that opinion can not be tolerated!!!!! </p>

<p>That fact that various differences of opinion exist is overwhelming support for the fact that we need programs on colleges campus that deal with these issues and encourage and allow for respectful debate on all sides of the issues. I hope that those of you opposed to the Vagina Monologues realize that no discussion is not a solution. Nor should the solution be a discussion of one aspect only without all interested groups having the opportunity to provide their own program and/or own dialogue.</p>

<p>In response to Irish6819, I don't know if the Vagina Monologues is the "best way" but it is a way to begin these types of discussions that has been adopted by the V-Day organizers. It is an established program that I think that interested groups on Notre Dame campus should have the right to participate in if there is sufficient interest. I agree with the point Sabrina1 made about needing to include the male perspective in these discussions. I would add to that what I think is Fr. Jenkins concern - we need to also be conscious of and considerate of the Catholic perspective to these important real life issues.</p>

<p>There is, however, disagreement as to how we recommend a Catholic University campus deal with these issues. Is the solution to limit or ban the Vagina Monologues? Or wouldn't it be better to allow it to continue in full scope, and organize programs, panels, etc to be sure to include the voices of other groups on these subjects - the men's perspective and the Catholic perspective. </p>

<p>(Irish, you and many others are questioning if the Vagina Monolouges is the best voice. That is a legitimate question. But it is an established one at this point that is accepted by many - albeit not all. Therefore it has a right to be heard by those that want to hear it. Obviously it does positively touch women's lives. Read the testimonial by the young women in the Observer Viewpoint article on Jan. 25, "Investment in Women") </p>

<p>I would suggest exactly what was recommended by Professor Glenn Hedler's article "The speach that wasn't" in the Jan 26 Observer. Isn't his approach a win/win solution?? I'm curious if those of you opposed to the presence of the Vagina Monologues agree with his recommendation or not? If not - why not?</p>

<p>NDparents's comment -- interpretation, "they desreve what they get", please be assured, I was not suggesting that. What I am suggesting, however, is that boys/men are being slammed with mixed messages, some of which are exhibited through provocative dancing, attire, etc... yet they are being hammered with sexual harrassment accusations if they so much a compliment a woman! A compliment, sincerely administered, can be interpreted as a sexual advance. Cleavages abound, skirts reach heights of revealing lengths while midriffs expose what lies above the skirt, tight, tight tops -- blouses, shirts, etc... leave little to the imagination, etc. , etc., etc.......So the male looks -- and he is chastised. Once again, I don't get it. What would one expect? Men/boys are not neuter -- they are men with instincts. Why is it that some women tease to turn on these instinctive reaction -- yet become punitive if a man responds, even when it's respectfully with a verbal recognition -- nowhere near the extent of any physcal contact? Perhaps, in reality, the "they deserve what they get" mindset is being applied and cosidered accptable to the other sex! What irony!
I am aware of corporate world training, whereby males are told NOT to look into the eyes of females when conducting business in an office setting. Yet no instruction or admonition is directed to females. I was stunned by this, yet males seem to have to tolerate the blatant discrimination. Or do they?
I am aware of a discrimination suit recently launched by a male student in the Boston area who seems to believe that there is discrimination against males in the public schools. Interesting. It will be an eye-opner, I am sure.
Common sense. Where is it? Mutual respect. Where is it?
BTW, is there any initiative, program directed at the plight of males and some of the challenges they face in this New Age world? I won't be so crass as to suggest the male alternative for the VM, but you get my drift. Come to thionk of it, if there is to be equality, indeed why not devote some attention to the plight of males and some of the inequities they must endure? Is there some reaction to this? Have any of you boys/men ever sincerely complimented or reacted positively to a woman and in turn were accused of something you had never intended?
Honestly, I believe Fr. Jenkins is on the right path. Perhaps the VM has some merit, but it is not the only venue to understanding, communication, etc...</p>

<p>Sabrina could you please tell me if you are a parent of a current ND student? I am trying to sift through to find out the various perspectives of ND parents, students and staff.</p>

<p>I asked this of you in a previous post, because you have only posted three times.</p>

<p>I have a vested interest in getting to know the ND community as well as I can via this wonderful CC site, since my son has been accepted as a ND Scholar.</p>

<p>Thank you for your response.</p>