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<p>I did not equate these two things even in the slightest. If you think so, you misinterpreted how it was “written.” You quoted me directly. I called it an incredible advantage, and that’s what it is. The Asian culture results in a better college profile. I said nothing about it being easy. It’s certainly not easy. But it improves the college profile and it’s a resource that fewer non-Asians (on average) have access to.</p>
<p>Yes, I agree with altruism here.</p>
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<p>I would still consider that an extracurricular, though as your interviewers (and your result) suggest, it is an extracurricular that “stands out.” Internet high five!</p>
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<p>You base need on income. If instead we craft a socioeconomic affirmative action on the basis of WEALTH, then we can get real diversity on both racial and socioeconomic dimensions. There is an online video of a discussion with Dalton Conley, John McWhorter, Julian Bond, and Lee Bollinger over the merits and lack thereof of racial preferences. Conley, a professor of sociology at NYU, explains that the average white family has significantly higher net worth than the average black family. Set the wealth level “correctly,” and you’ll be able to ensure that most of the beneficiaries are poor blacks while still allowing for poor whites and Asians to get benefits.</p>
<p>collegealum314: being “forced” by one’s parents’ to study hard and make sacrifices in one’s personal life does not entitle them into getting into a top college. And Asian Americans definitely have a leg up when it comes to other minorities, or even whites, in succeeding in academics. Most Asian parents I know didn’t scrimp on the money when it came to extra classes, extracurricular activities, or anything that could help their children in the college admissions game. Unfortunately, being lucky enough to have parents care about your future does not entitle you to a top college either.</p>
<p>Also, fabrizio, if you don’t see what blacks or Hispanics could bring to a campus you must live in a cultural bubble. Think about how explosive the race issue is in America, on topics as far-reaching as welfare and poverty and race identity and rap music and the under-achievement gap. You probably don’t have any first-hand information on those topics, but other minorities do.</p>
<p>This is so freaking ridiculous. I’m Hispanic and why should Asians be rejected because they are Asians whaaaaaat! Are you seriousss?? Minorities have a disadvantage ummmmm come again HOW?
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<p>Someone has to explain to me how you can tell the OP that this is justified-.-…</p>
<p>But to play devil’s advocate, why should we penalize kids who have parents that care?</p>
<p>Transfers2010, there was half a chapter in the book “Freakonomics” that disproves your claim. Holding all other factors equal, blacks and whites perform almost equally on standardized tests (this was done by evaluating the public school system in Chicago). I don’t think Hispanics or Asians were included in the survey.</p>
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<p>How are they being penalized by having parents that care? Maybe they won’t get into Harvard or Yale, but all of my Asian friends with good stats got into schools like JHU, UCLA, Berkeley, Rice, etc. For truly smart kids, getting into one of the latter schools but not the former ones isn’t going to hold them back in life.</p>
<p>Plus, Asian parents are, in sum, way more willing to pay for their kids’ tuitions than parents of other races. They’re already getting farther ahead in life than most people.</p>
<p>I agree with you there. Like I said, I was playing Devil’s Advocate.</p>
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<p>It entitles them to the fruit of their labor. At the very least they should get the same thing out of it that someone who isn’t Asian would.</p>
<p>Again, I think it’s absurd to write about work ethic and the extreme pressure to succeed as if it is like being spoiled. Like, “Of course, they did well. They got to study every night. I didn’t get to do that.”</p>
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<p>Not according to this article: [The</a> Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html]The”>The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test)</p>
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<li>by URMs gaining an advantage, others are disadvantaged. colleges don’t have enough places for everyone. by URMs taking places due to their race, others who have worked harder to not get in</li>
<li>asians do not have an advantage over, say, cultures where “education is less stressed.” an asian getting a 4.0 and a hispanic getting a 4.0 have to put in the same amount of work (not including IQs, etc., none of which have to do with race.
many of you seem to be arguing that asians are put under more pressure to do well generally. and most of the time, this is true. but a) it isn’t always true and b) it’s stereotypical and prejudiced. haven’t we learned from our history?? stereotypes, puttin people into groups is being ignorant. it’s where racism comes from. people are indivisuals, and even though race is a part of someone it doesn’t FULLY define them. their are other aspects in their identity as well. and just because most might, say, have more educational pressure on them, it’s wrong to say that ALL automatically do. it’s ignorant, prejudice, and uneducated. </li>
<li>also… isn’t unfair that asians would be at a disadvantage for well… being born into an asian family?</li>
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<p>Well then, my fellow huayi, you are part of the problem, not the solution. In another setting, have you ever asked yourself why Hollywood continues to practice yellowface, as they did with Airbender last summer and as they almost surely will do with Akira when and if it’s released? To put it bluntly, it’s because of people with your mentality. People who are content to be treated like crap because they don’t want to rock the boat.</p>
<p>If you buy into the “diversity” gospel, fine. There is no contradiction between being Asian and being baptized into the cult of “diversity.” But for you to tell me, with a straight face, that you agree with “pretty much” everything Pancaked said? I can’t do anything but shake my head. You think it’s in any way acceptable for Asians to be PUNISHED, yes–PUNISHED–because they have possibly done “too well”?</p>
<p>You can slap euphemisms all you like on Pancaked’s arguments. It doesn’t change that he advocates punishing Asians as a “group” for having “group” performance above the mean through granting preferences to other “groups,” including whites.</p>
<p>I have to hand it to Pancaked, though. I have never heard of anyone openly advocating for RACIAL preferences for whites because Asians have arguably done “too well.” He gets credit for novelty.</p>
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<p>Just to play Devil’s Advocate, would it be ok to tax them at a higher rate than other races? Like if they make $100,000, they only get $90,000. After all, the difference between 90K and 100K won’t hold them back in life. They’ll get to enjoy most of the same things.</p>
<p>Get rid of every AA but “disadvantaged student” AA. If that’s the case, whites, not URMs, would bear the most hurt at HYPSM etc.</p>
<p>^that’s and impressive compromise. however, economic-based AA should be given weight just for the sake of fairness. although, I’m not sure what that would do to diversity.</p>
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<p>If Asians are doing “too well,” the correct solution is to figure out how other ethnicities can catch up or beat Asians, not give them “slight advantages” artificially.</p>
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<p>Pfft. This is just “Yale or jail.” Why is it that Asians are told that they can excel wherever they go, but for blacks et al., they just HAVE to attend elite universities “or else”?</p>
<p>When our President bemoaned about our world ranking in terms of college graduates, did he say that more Americans should attend elite universities? Or did he say that more Americans should attend higher education, period?</p>
<p>My Asian friends always view being rejected due to AA as a manifestation of their racial supremacy (in a comedic manner). Asians would benefit much more from the banning of legacy/“rich kid” AA than race/socioeconomic AA.</p>
<p>I’m not arguing for whites. Research shows that removing racial preferences would marginally affect whites. Whites are just a side effect of the system in place.</p>
<p>I’m arguing for disadvantaged minorities. If you read my post, you’d understand that I advocate “preferences,” if that’s what you’d like to call them, because admissions without this system of preferences would have drastic socioeconomic repercussions. Drastic. For some reason you choose to overlook this. Look at the data I posted about UC Berk. Extrapolate nationally. Enjoy the result of your race-blind system. </p>
<p>You can “pfft” all you want. That’s a wonderful defense. If all admissions were race blind, disadvantaged students would be displaced across the board and receive a lower quality education on average. </p>
<p>How is an argument for increasing college total enrollment even relevant…</p>
<p>Kseeya. I’m just happy knowing my tuition is not going to be paid to a race-blind school that would essentially eliminate certain ethnic populations, reduce diversity, promote wide-scale lower quality education for those whose college apps suffered as a result of a disadvantaged upbringing, and contribute to a widening socioeconomic gaps that we as a nation have been trying to close to decades. Meanwhile you can spend your 50k at UC Berk and fund these agendas.</p>
<p>Asians who say they wish they were black don’t know how it feels to be black.</p>