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<p>I got it. I went back reading from earlier pages. I don’t think the REAL top-class people would post link of picture of their private events on a public forum. This is so funny!</p>
<p>RML way to go being a prestige wh0re lmao…</p>
<p>@oldfort: OMG now I’m soooo excited to go back to HK after I graduate! YAY IVY BALL!</p>
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The “Ivy Plus Society” was founded by someone who “actually went to an Ivy League school.” Yale, to be precise.</p>
<p>*Ms. Anderson, 30, a real estate lawyer in Los Angeles, founded the Ivy Plus Society there in 2006. She was running events for Yales young alumni club of Southern California and finding the turnouts weak. She began giving parties on her own that were open to other select universities, and the Ivy Plus idea was born. A San Francisco chapter followed two years later, and the New York City group was created in May. A Washington chapter is set to start later this month.</p>
<p>Ms. Anderson said that the plus institutions including Stanford, Duke, M.I.T. and West Point are those with a natural affiliation with the Ivies, in addition to top business, law and medical schools. If you wanted to describe these schools, these are all highly selective, academically rigorous institutions, she said, although social reputations also come into play. The Duke people are so much fun. Theres just some schools you want to make sure you include.*</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/fashion/04ivy.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/fashion/04ivy.html</a></p>
<p>So what if a Yale graduate founded Ivy Plus?</p>
<p>George W. Bush went to Yale.</p>
<p>hawkette,</p>
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<li>What kind of people do you talk to everyday?</li>
<li>Are you saying everyone you’ve talked to told you all those things? So, every single American talks about Berkeley in a negative way? </li>
<li>Are you serious? lol</li>
<li>My wife talks to people from the upper social strata. I am, however, unsure of the kind of people you talked to and why they respond to you in a very negative way.</li>
<li>For undergrad, HYPSM are better than UC Berkeley.</li>
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<p>In my honest opinion:</p>
<p>Group 1 - UC Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell
Group 2 -NYU, CMU
Group 3 - USC, Washington
-drop-
Group 4 - Claremont, BU, UMass</p>
<p>OP, listen. Hawkette is not Asian. She has very little knowledge about Asia. She probably haven’t even been to Asia. So, if I were you, I’d take extra caution on taking her words. Her data points are facts, but her interpretation of the data she provides is always flawed. You have to consider a lot of factors to be able to interpret or understand her data. Sadly, she does not do that. Take her data. But don’t let her interpret them for you. You’ve got to do the interpretation yourself. </p>
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Again, OP, this is a misnomer. Do not be fooled by such claim. The statement becomes true only if you are (1.) Californian, (2.) you belong to the top 10% of your HS class and (3.) you have a compelling reason to attend Berkeley as demonstrated by past circumstances. There is no assurance to get into Berkeley even if you’re a valedictorian of a top HS in California. There have been a lot of gifted students with near-perfect-to-perfect SAT scores that have been denied admissions to Berkeley. Additionally, Berkeley is extremely selective for OOS and international students. If you’ll be applying to Berkeley from NY, you’d find Berkeley an extremely tough school to get into. If you’ll be applying to Berkeley from Japan, you’d find Berkeley admission almost impossible. Maybe things have changed now for International applicants. Regardless, Berkeley is still a tough school to get into. </p>
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Get them and interpret them correctly. Don’t let her interpret the datapoints for you. because chances are, she’ll give you a wrong interpretation. </p>
<p>Again, in Asia, and in Japan in particular, there is no question that a Berkeley name would be received with more attention than a CMC name. In Asia, Berkeley is famous, CMC is not. For Asians, in general, Berkeley is superior to CMC. It’s not even close. If you don’t have an offer from Berkeley, go to Michigan, Cornell or UCLA. If not, go for NYU. Those schools would put you in good stead, in Asia. You’d have a rich and highly influential alumni network that you can bank on and deal business to further uplift your status in life. CMC unknown in Asia. There is no network for CMC alumni in Japan. I’d imagine you’ll work extra hard to make yourself noticeable in Asia if you come from a never-heard school like CMC. And, if that’s the case, unless CMC would give you a full-ride, don’t go there, that is if you have an offer from Berkeley.</p>
<p>UCB: I did not attend Oxford. I would never ever go there. lol </p>
<p>Watermark: You are entitled to your own opinion. </p>
<p>Manhattan75: I did not cite the Ivy Plus as a main basis to support my claim about prestige. It was just a supplemental to my argument, and Ivy Plus lists schools that are truly elite. </p>
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For you, you’d pick Berkeley. But if you’re an Asian living in Asia, I’m sure Berkeley would hardly be picked, if at all. I would bet that most Asians would pick Brown or Columbia first before Berkeley. In my world, I’d pick all of them first before Berkeley, except Harvard. So, now, you have to understand that the Ivy League isn’t all the solid a name outside of America. And, since the OP is concerned about her future job offers and connections in Asia, as where she intends to work someday, would it be best to give her what the real score is in Asia, particularly in Japan, instead of insisting to her all your wrong notions and ill advice?</p>
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No, the best strategy would be to point the OP in the direction of people who have graduated from Claremont McKenna and live and work in Japan.</p>
<p>In other words, the people with the knowledge and experience you lack, coming from neither Berkeley nor Claremont McKenna.</p>
<p>[Claremont</a> McKenna College Alumni Association – Japan Chapter](<a href=“https://online.cmc.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=330]Claremont”>https://online.cmc.edu/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=330)</p>
<p>For heaven’s sake, it would be incredibly wonderful if someone on here laid aside their biases and stereotypes and said something helpful for once. None of us are familiar enough with the job prospects of a CMC grad to be able to comment on life in Japan, so it’s best to simply point the OP in the direction of those who can.</p>
<p>Many posters are so wedded to a certain college or group of colleges that I firmly believe they are unable to move out of that paradigm enough to have be helpful or perhaps even have good intentions. It’s rather unfortunate.</p>
<p>Then everyone, let me ask you this: Would you go for Warwick maths over Oxford maths if you’re to make that decision? Warwick is excellent for maths. It’s one of the best in Europe for maths. For an international student to get onto the math course at Warwick, you’d need 770 (at least) on the maths SAT. In the UK, there is very little comparison to be made between Oxford maths and Warwick maths. They are neck-and-neck in quality, prestige and employment prospects. The big companies visit both unis, and hire grads of both unis almost equally. But, as an international student, where do you think would be the better uni for you? Would you spend 200k at Warwick when you have the option to go to Oxford for the same price? </p>
<p>Now, put yourself on the OP’s shoes and decide where to go between Berkeley (a truly world-class academic institution) and CMC (an elite LAC which has a regional name recognition). Okay; both are good schools academically. Some people would even argue to death that CMC is slightly better for academics (though that’s highly debatable for me.) But, if you’re from Japan, and you know that in Japan CMC does not even ring a bell, would you still go there when you have a much brighter, nicer, better option? </p>
<p>Let’s take out Berkeley from the equation and replace it with Cornell. Would you pass up Cornell for CMC when in your world, CMC does not have a slight hint of prestige, and you have an excellent option on the side? If you would, don’t you think that’s gutsy of you. I would call it suicide. </p>
<p>To be honest, if I’m sure that I would be going back to Japan after my undergrad degree, I would even choose NYU over CMC, let alone Michigan, UCLA, Northwestern, Chicago or Cornell over CMC.</p>
<p>I’m just trying to be real.</p>
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<p>Oh but why stop at Cornell? If Oxford wasn’t a stretch, then why not go the full monty and say that Cal = Harvard?</p>
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<p>USNWR ranks Cal no. 21 for national unis vs. CMC at no. 11 for LACs
WSJ Feeder ranking has Cal at no. 41 vs. CMC at no. 22.</p>
<p>It’s suicide to choose CMC over Cal??? Really?</p>
<p>I’m just trying to be real…</p>
<p>the_prestige,</p>
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Is that how you understood my posts? lol</p>
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If you’re trying to be real, then why are you comparing ranking games of uni to an LAC? And, WSJ is bogus. Why measure schools which send grads to Tuck when Haas is a better business school? lol</p>
<p>the_prestige, if you’re not posting anything relevant to the topic, I think the OP would rather appreciate that you don’t post at all.</p>
<p>^^^^Right on RML! I completely agree with your assessments. It’s all about the easiest path to securing a job in Japan after graduation. The OP really needs to consider this more than anything.</p>
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<p>The Ivy League isn’t all the solid a name outside of America. Really? That’s funny because I’ve lived and worked in Asia for over a decade and when it comes to US schools, all they can talk about is the Ivy League.</p>
<p>In fact, I’d argue the exact OPPOSITE. I’d argue that Ivy League recognition is stronger in Asia than it is in the US precisely because Asians are enamored by brand names – let’s face it Asia is the prestige whore capital of the world.</p>
<p>OP is just one person–it doesn’t matter if the pipeline to what she wants to do is big or small; it matters whether the pipeline goes where she wants to go. Only research into the specifics can tell you that.</p>
<p>RML,
Keep digging, big fella….this is hilarious! Your glorification of UC Berkeley has me laughing out loud. It’s like watching a romantic comedy movie. Someone, please pass me the popcorn. </p>
<p>The irony in all of my comments is that I actually like and respect UC Berkeley, but your consistent promotions are so out of whack with the reality on the ground of American colleges that I (and apparently many others) can’t let it slide. You truly have so little understanding of the American college system and appreciation for the great and broad quality that exists here and such a ridiculously inflated view of UC Berkeley’s place among American undergraduate institutions. Maybe some living in Asia see it like you (and yes, I have been there several times so I get the whole brand name/prestige preoccupation), but that view is a woefully uninformed one. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, quality is quality and CMC has got it in spades. Intelligent employers will get it. Probably the strongest claim you have made is that UC Berkeley is going to have a larger alumni network than CMC, but even then I wonder how much that is tied to UCB’s graduate school quality. </p>
<p>And for judging CMC’s effectiveness in Asia, the OP would be wise to follow the suggestion of hippo and others to probe how the CMC brand has hurt (or helped) its graduates in the job search in Asia. Thanks to hippo for the link that permits further investigation.</p>
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<p>Are you telling me that in Asia, schools like Brown and Dartmouth are more well-regarded than schools like Caltech, Chicago or Northwestern? You’ve got to be kidding me. Brown and Dartmouth couldn’t even hold a candle against Georgetown in Asia, let alone those super-power schools like Berkeley, Stanford, MIT and the like.</p>
<p>hawkette, so, based on your statements, you’d rather attend Warwick for maths despite the Oxford maths offer? Is my understanding about what you’ve said correct? Please go direct to the point. </p>
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And a Berkeley education is not a top quality education, hawkette? </p>
<p>Yes, you will need smarts and a great deal of ability to get onto the top, in Asia. But you’d also need connections, hawkette. Again, hawkette, I have no clue where you’re coming from, but you need to know that in Asia, you would need connections to rise to the top. And, in Asia, Berkeley has bigger, deeper, stronger and better connection than CMC has. If you don’t believe me, that’s your problem.</p>
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Really? Wow! Hear this people. Hawkette has a new revelation. She actually likes Berkeley despite her everlasting bashing and degrading the real quality and prestige of Berkeley. </p>
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Oh. I’ve heard of this speech already. lol… How is this relevant to the topic? </p>
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Good advice. But no need. Because the comparison between Berkeley and CMC in Asia is crystal clear. It’s the same comparison can be made between Oxford maths and Warwick maths (maybe even a bit worse), wherein both unis provide almost identical education, but one is just significantly more prestigious and well-respected than the other. I don’t mean to offend anyone. I’m just stating a fact. Now, if this was a debate about Berkeley vs HYPSM, then this would have been a different story altogether. But CMC is nowhere near HYPSM in prestige and brand name recognition.</p>
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<p>All this obsession with “what will the Asians think” is the OPPOSITE of true prestige. Truly prestigious people choose what suits THEM; they value THEIR OWN opinions, not substitute other people’s judgments and assume that other people’s judgments are automatically better.</p>
<p>RML, you remind me of the kind of person who goes and buys a suit, but before wearing it, instead of forming your own opinion as to whether it looks good, you go and show it off to 25 people asking them each in turn, “Do you like it? Huh? How about you? And you? And you?” </p>
<p>Form your own opinion about something based on its merits, okay? Not by taking popular opinion polls. If CMC is a good school (which it certainly is), then it’s worth going to (or at least considering). Period, full stop. Being so wound up in “but what will others think?” is such pure fail. </p>
<p>If “what Asians think” is of SO much importance, and so worthy of emulating, why is CC chock full of Asians who are trying to come to American colleges, and not Americans trying to go to Asian colleges? Why is CC chock full of the children of Asian immigrants who came here (sacrificing everything they had in many cases) for a better life, and not vice versa?</p>
<p>RML,
Have you ever heard of SUNY-Stony Brook? Ever heard of Jim Simons?? Ever heard of Renaissance Technologies???</p>
<p>Put the three together and you have my answer to your Oxford/Warwick question. </p>
<p>As for your comment of my “bashing” of UCB, I’m hardly bashing the place. What you are so completely in the dark about and unwilling to understand is that there are other places in the USA that are every bit as good or better for undergraduate education. CMC is one.</p>