<p>Wow, the OP comes off as very ignorant. Do you not realize that the average Asian at these schools is wealthier than every other subgroup? Do you not realize that Asians make up a small % of the general population but a huge % of the college population? </p>
<p>Your polo scholarship rant is just ridiculous. They must give out equal number of schollys for men and women. With 50+ scholarships to football, girls sports often have large number of scholarships. Case and point, Duke gives out 12 Xcountry scholarships to girls and 1 to a guy (divide it up). </p>
<p>Please, you sound very bitter, so I suggest you simply leave your race off your applications. That is what I would do. </p>
<p>Asians, due to parent intervention, social class, and expectations are generally more academically driven than other races. This creates a rat race for the top and their are only so many spots.</p>
<p>I disagree with what the OP's actual first message, but in response to the topic question, I say "yes."</p>
<p>We are not treated equally. According to Espenshade and Chung, the best we could have done on the old SAT was a 1550. Compare this to an 1830 (out of 1600) maximum score for a black applicant. Is that fair? Equal? "Level playing field"? 1830 >> 1550. Don't even try to say that it's fair because it is NOT.</p>
<p>I highly suggest that anyone who posts in here read some of the other affirmative action threads.
Particularly the Princeton University report, how blacks get the equivalent of a +230 boost to their SATs, and how 4 out of 5 URMs who get admitted into elite schools would be replaced by Asians if AA were eliminated.
Read up before speaking.</p>
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Rachel, for an Asian, has many friends.</p>
<p>Thats the kind of line that apparently is turning up more and more in letters of recommendation on behalf of Asian American applicants to top colleges... one high school counselor said that counselors feel they have no choice but to mention students Asian status and to try to make it seem like their Asian students are different from other Asian students.
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Based on working with institutions where Asian enrollment exceed 25 percent something that is increasingly common at elite publics in California and top universities elsewhere she said she hears lots of talk about admissions officers who complain about yet another Asian student who wants to major in math and science and who plays the violin or people who say I dont want another boring Asian.
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<p>The admissions bias against Asians is real. They don't want to see biology major piano prodigies anymore because there are already too many of those. So good luck, and hope that the tennis lessons and math club and SAT tutoring and cello practice doesn't bite you in the a in the future.**</p>
<p>Perhaps, it disproportionately affects us Asians because:</p>
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<li><p>A disproportionate number of us plan to major in science/math/engineering/pre-med.</p></li>
<li><p>Most of our parents are status driven and want only the highest ranked schools.</p></li>
<li><p>The average income of Asian families are higher than any other group.</p></li>
<li><p>That many Asian applicants pick EC's that tend to make them blend rather than be distinct.</p></li>
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<p>What does it mean?</p>
<p>It means that the competition among Asians is astronomical, because we have not diversified by possible majors, types of institutions, socioeconomic class (unless you count Southeast Asians in the whole), and EC's. Yet we want to blame AA (which here on CC usually means Black or Hispanic). Talk about not taking SOME responsibility. Anyone look at the LACs and universities in the top tier of USN in the South that have low Asian percentages? How do you explain that trend?</p>
<p>The college admissions process can and will always be called unfair because of some colleges holistic application review policies or desirability (i.e. UC's for in-state kids). For some of my Asian peers, the fact that it is super hard to get into UC-Berkeley makes it even more desirable, and, if they get in, more prized. That trophy then drives demand.</p>
<p>hello, interesting comments u guys got there
what's ur opinion about an Asian, who has a latino nationality , speaks fluent spanish, chinese, english and taiwanese and is an international student? With leadeship skills, of course.... lets say.... being president of the student government. Member of NHS and Community Service.</p>
<p>The fact is, Asian American applicants do resemble each other to an astronomical extent. Maybe admin officers rather PREFER diversity by not accepting so many applicants with similar attributes.</p>
<p>I think such a student would be quite unique. Most of the Chinese Diaspora is located in English-speaking countries (viz. USA, UK, AUS).</p>
<p>However, under the train of thought of some of the people on this thread, he should be rejected because he is Asian and therefore the SAME as all the other Asians.</p>
<p>luckymint,</p>
<p>Can you tell me why our society has made it a sin to degrade Jews and Blacks but somehow tolerates discrimination against Asians?</p>
<p>well.... answering ur question.... form an asian point of view, I strongly think that the problem lays in the increasing number of asians in this world. Also, asians are part of a whole different closed-community, we never suffered any genocides (except for wars), such as the black and the jews.... we often have aggresive / unaccepted behaviors inside other societies, etc.... And I think that Pearl Harbor may also be part of this discrimination..... </p>
<p>Living in Arg. for all my life has tough me one lesson... Chinese people have a great culture, but they also have the most unaccepted manners. This is crucial, because they form part of the majority of asians, they often are the ones ginving us a bad image (since they are much more widely dispersed then Taiwanese, Japanese, KOrean, Malaysia, etc.... people). </p>
<p>I don't think that society tolerates discrimination against Asians -- just look at how the Japanese internment camps are perceived now. I just think that college admissions at this point is biased because there are massive amounts of Asian Americans applying to only certain select institutions. This more or less would cause self-selection among applicants.</p>
<p>I didn't read what anyone wrote, but I read the first thread, and if somebody already wrote what Im about to write, then I'm sorry for wasting 5 seconds of your dear, pathetic life...go eat a donut.</p>
<p>basically, affirmative action doesn't screw with anyone. Colleges, especially Ivies, are prone to a diverse campus and would much rather have a campus with a certain percentage of each ethnicity. That's why they have affirmative action, providing incentives for minorities to apply. So even if there are 1,000 rich caucasian males that each donate millions of dollars to be accepted, the Ivies won't accept all of them, despite their donation because they "want" to meet their quota for a diverse community.</p>
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1. A disproportionate number of us plan to major in science/math/engineering/pre-med.</p>
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<li><p>Most of our parents are status driven and want only the highest ranked schools.</p></li>
<li><p>The average income of Asian families are higher than any other group.</p></li>
<li><p>That many Asian applicants pick EC's that tend to make them blend rather than be distinct
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<p>That could not be more true...although my parents aren't status-driven, I'm failing AP Enviro, my parents don't make all that much, and I'm one of the only 3 asians in Amnesty International, and I'm VP of my school chapter.</p>
<p>The problem with Asians and Asian Americans are that they are too obsessed with prestige and going into brand-name schools. Many Asian Americans are extremely ignorant of the fact that you can get a great education at almost ANY university. Yes, ANY university. </p>
<p>You also forget that only 1 in 3 Americans have a college degree. Which leads to another thing: there's the unfair expectation that Asians must overachieve. In California, I believe that less than 1 in 3 blacks have a college degree. However, after doing extensive research, I realized that approximately 1 in 4 Asian Americans in California have a college degree from a Top 40 institution, and approximately 1 in 3 Asian Americans have graduated from the following universities: the Ivy League, the Top 25 schools, USC, UCLA, Berkeley, and UCSD. Add in UC Irvine, Davis, and the rest of the UC's, and that number is over 40%. </p>
<p>With those daunting statistics, you can imagine why there's so much pressure on Asians to live up to the success of their race.</p>
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hm...either way, the conclusion is that asian americans have a great disadvantage in this so called "fair, equal opportunity" country in this admissions game.
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<li>what race are u?</li>
<li>Give some deduction/logic/theory to support your point. </li>
<li>If you do have logic, you wouldn't use such a lousy way of replying.</li>
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