<p>Doesn't a 4.0 usually just mean straight As?</p>
<p>P.S. computersaavy, take it again in October. It can't hurt unless you do much worse and in all likelihood, you won't. I took it for a 2nd time on a whim the October before I applied and raised my score 50 points..with your studying I'm sure you could do the same or better.</p>
<p>then, shall I apply SEAS or CAS when I have strong math (800) and CR(750), but lower WR(690), if I want to major in pre-med?</p>
<p>It seems, I should apply SEAS, since that's what I am good at. On the other hand, that's why I want to be in CAS to enhance my other abilities.</p>
<p>Please advise! Thx.</p>
<p>Oh, at my school a 4.0 is a 100 so I thought he meant he had an unweighted 100 average....</p>
<p>class...what are you interested in? If you really just like math and science, apply to engineering. If you're more interested in general liberal arts, do the College. SAS is a bit more selective, but possibly because the engineering pool is more self-selective. And either will prepare you for med school.</p>
<p>You should also really think about the differences between math and science in CAS and in SEAS. It is not really the same.</p>
<p>are you saying in terms of difficulty?</p>
<p>jelly88 - if you drop in an area that you got an 800 the first time, does it matter? </p>
<p>for a college that doesn't super score will they only look at the best overall score and not the most recent one you took, especially if the first one was your best one?</p>
<p>math and science differ in the college / seas because of the application</p>
<p>chemistry is a lot different from chemical engineering; biology is different from bioengineering - the basic underlying principles are the same, but what you learn after the basics varies considerably... because while a chem major may worry about reactions, the chemical engineering major worries about building a reactor; a bio major thinks about cell signalling principles, while the bioengineer builds the device that facilitates cell signal mimicry / transduction.</p>
<p>lovemom- Not for Penn. As long as its in a similar range (and I mean that pretty broadly) it's fine. They wouldn't expect an 800 every time. Penn does superscore, just so you know. At colleges that don't..yeah, I guess that would hurt.</p>
<p>this was a 110 point drop from the 1st time, clearly because there was no interest in proving the 800 again (bad move) The other 2 remained about the same, so basically the first score was a 2210, & super scoring only increases by 10 points for one section. The 800 was in Writing, does this help for CAS? i.e CR + Writing = 1530?</p>
<p>jelly I am curious about something you have been saying. So I got cr 800, math 670, writing 800--will that hinder me at a school like Penn or at a HYP ivy for that matter.</p>
<p>just so you know, the science and math departments are all in CAS and you will need to take classes in those departments in order to graduate. the idea that somehow CAS would disregard a very low math score and somehow only care about cr + writing just because it is the liberal arts college is not well-supported.</p>
<p>that said, i should note that a 670 is not very low...</p>
<p>lovemom- so that drop is on the bigger side and not offset by a real increase in the superscore, but hey, it already happened so there's nothing that can be done. 2220 is a pretty solid score, but you obviously keep bringing up the W section because it's the strongest. CR+W means nothing. Math is still part of liberal arts and admissions cares way more about the the M than W. CR+M is what really counts. CR+M for you (your child?) is 1420 from what I can tell. That's fine, it's almost exactly average. Are you a URM? A legacy? Recruited athlete? Really unique/high-profile ECs? If not, and Penn is your first choice, you may want to consider retaking it again, after studying.</p>
<p>Also bescraze, I agree with crashingwaves. Two 800s are exceptional and show that English/reading/writing is clearly your strength, and a 670 is definitely respectable so I think you're fine.</p>
<p>yes jelly88 this is for my D. I was kind of hoping that this article below would become a factor this fall & help her:</p>
<p>Studies:</a> SAT writing portion good predictor of grades - USATODAY.com</p>
<p>I am sure there are tons of controversies surrounding this study and it may take a year or two before adcoms start giving more weight to the Writing section. (if at all)</p>
<p>She may have to take it a 3rd time this fall, to get past the average, since she is not "Hooked" in any of the areas that you mentioned. Strong ECs but not exactly WOW material in my opinion. I think adcoms don't like 3 SAT attempts when they can pick candidates who scored 2200+ in their first attempt.</p>
<p>Crashingwaves: i completely agree that Math is still very important in CAS, and as most of you are saying, CR+M is still the gold standard. But I was hoping that a 690 in Math with 1530 CR + W will be competitive for CAS. Most selective colleges 25th-75th percentile rankings start at 670; so I know this puts her at the low end. But hoping that strong subject tests, ECs, recommendations etc will help her overcome this. And yeah she is also taking the June ACT but not hoping for any miracles there. We'll see. If she gets a 33 or better, would it be better to just use the ACT then, assuming her Math is also at 33? I hear that 33 in ACT section is about 730 on the SAT.</p>
<p>Thanks all for your input, keep it coming!!</p>
<p>lovemom, is she planning to apply to Penn ED?</p>
<p>(Sorry if this has already been answered.)</p>
<p>I don't think that article will become a factor by this fall. A year or two of the next test just isn't enough evidence. The 1600 scale is still considered a valid SAT measure, and until the standard becomes the 2400 scale I don't think the W will matter as much.</p>
<p>I don't know if she should take it a 3rd time, but it's something to consider. A 1530 in CR+W sounds good, until you realize that CR, the section that matters much more, is 730, which isn't really good enough to make up for a weaker math score. 1420 is obviously a great score- I just don't know that it's great enough for an unhooked candidate. If she has a perfect/almost perfect transcript, it may not be an issue.</p>
<p>jelly88: yup was afraid that would be the case. I agree that the 1600 standard has been established so well that it will take a long time to convince Adcoms to change it. She has a strong transcript, so we'll keep our fingers crossed.</p>
<p>45 Percenter: yes Penn is one of her top choices but is torn between 3 other schools that are similarly competitive. By the end of summer she hopes to nail the first choice school and apply ED.</p>
<p>By test scores CAS is the least competitive of the schools she is considering, so if her score wasn't good enough for CAS, then there is no fighting chance at the other schools.</p>