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<p>I re-read this and have to point out that what isn’t said is: “Barnard participates in the hiring decisions of Columbia faculty.” A Columbia department – particularly in the sciences – wouldn’t give a rat’s rear end about Barnard professors’ opinions on hiring and tenure decisions.</p>
<p>If you go back and read old posts by Co2002, you will see that he definitely has issues with Barnard. Don’t know why there is all this hostility. </p>
<p>From my perspective as the mom of a recent Barnard graduate, there is indeed a difference in the educational experiences of Barnard vs CC women. And, (of course my opinion, and no surprise here), there are many facets of a Barnard educational experience that are to be preferred over a CC one. Specifically, better advising and more flexible basic requirements, all the while having access to most, if not all, of Columbia’s classes and certainly all of the Columbia University clubs and sports teams (well, those that include women…not sure you could play on the football team, though that might be up for debate 
Sorry). </p>
<p>Can’t believe I am even chiming in here. I will now go back to my real life. Just sit back and watch the feathers fly…</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your reply, Churchmusicmom. I have found your posts on other threads quite helpful. It sounds as if you, and many others, have no regrets about sending your daughter to Barnard.</p>
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<p>No, I have issues with poor posts. I call people out when they make poor posts – whether on Barnard or on anything else. columbmom’s posts add nothing to this thread.</p>
<p>Dear cmburns14,
The following is from the section of the Barnard admissions website entitiled "The Columbia Connection:
“Cross-registration flows across Broadway in both directions, allowing Barnard and Columbia students to take classes on either campus. In a typical year, there are 6,900 Barnard student course registrations at Columbia, and 6,300 Columbia student course registrations at Barnard. Highly motivated Barnard students may take graduate-level courses at Columbia in such as international affairs, business, law, and arts and sciences.”
When a student at Columbia registers for a course, he or she uses the Directory of Classes, which can be found on the right hand side of the Columbia U Academics page. Click on it, then choose a letter, then a subject beginning with that letter, and you will see all courses in that subject. Thus if you click on H, then History and Spring 2010, you will see that the third course down is BC 1302 European History Since 1789. The “BC” stands for Barnard College, and students generally choose courses based on the subject matter rather than where they are taught. If I counted correctly, 17 of the courses that will be taught in History this spring that Columbia students can choose from will be taught at Barnard College. You can do this for any subject.
Hope this is helpful.
This will probably be my last post–I have gotten the information I was seeking, but I find the atmosphere of the site chilling to further participation.
Good luck!</p>
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<p>Suspicious statement.</p>
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<p>Fair question.</p>
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<p>Utterly non-responsive answer.</p>
<p>Maybe the kid was an architecture major.</p>
<p>Does Columbia not have an architecture major? I thought Art Garfunkel was an architecture major at Columbia.</p>
<p>The architecture major at Columbia is administered jointly with Barnard-- it is one of several departments that have shared responsibility. See: [Barnard</a> + Columbia Architecture](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/archprogram/]Barnard”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/archprogram/)
and <a href=“Domain Suspension”>Domain Suspension;
<p>(So if it was the same then as it is now, Art Garfunkel would have taken a lot of classes at Barnard).</p>
<p>i actually think “ivy league” is overrated. it should just take on the traditional definition - athletic conference. </p>
<p>nowadays, people associate it with THE best undergraduate colleges in the country. There are plenty of GREAT schools besides columbia that are not in the “ivy league” and consistently rank above columbia…</p>
<p>barnard is a great school, and by “ivy league”, if what you mean is “is it a top school”, i think so…maybe not top 10, but pretty high.</p>
<p>i went to columbia actually, and i recall the rivalry between barnard and columbia (cc and seas). i met a lot of girls from barnard my freshman year whom i really respected in terms of their intellectuality and their values. i don’t disagree that i was at times annoyed when i met non-columbians, told them i went to columbia, and they said oh you mean barnard, and i had to say no actually, not barnard. some people thought that’s where all the girls from columbia went…</p>
<p>i think the only major issue i had with the barnard-columbia arrangment was housing. in my soph yr, and that’s the worst year for housing, i met a lot of soph barnard girls who lived in EC townhouses (and that’s by far, imo, the best housing on campus), and only columbia seniors really had the privilege of living there…that’s not fair…i would’ve loved to live in EC my soph yr but we just couldn’t…</p>
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<p>most people will argue that only Stanford and MIT in the US belong in that category, not so much plenty as a couple.</p>
<p>ok, then let’s just say a few.</p>
<p>but i remember (when i was applying) seeing duke, caltech, johns hopkins, u of chicago, and northwestern hovering around the same or better range as columbia year over year (so i guess i take back “consistently”)</p>
<p>anyway, i think the most popular source for these rankings is usnews right? i believe that columbia belongs to the “national universities” category while barnard college is part of the “liberal arts colleges” category, so the rankings for the 2 are separate. I also think that the national unversities rankings are based on not just undergrad, but also grad programs and faculty research. i guess what i’m trying to say is, schools like williams and amherst could be just as great, if not “better ranked”, than cc, and i wouldn’t confidently argue they’re “worse”. i remember seeing stats for williams back in the day, and the avg SAT/GPA was around the same range…</p>
<p>as for engineering programs, i would also add berkeley, cmu…</p>
<p>juilliard and the union theology school are also affiliates of columbia…that doesnt mean that those schools are ivy league schools</p>
<p>The name of Columbia/Barnard Athletic Consortium indicates that Barnard is a separate college from Columbia. Columbia has to put Barnard along with Columbia to recognize Barnard womens contribution to teams. If Barnard belongs to Columbia (or a part of Columbia), there is no need to use the name of Barnard. Have you ever seen Columbia/CC or Columbia/Seas Athletic Consortium?</p>
<p>I’d point out that the “Ivy League” is the name of the athletic conference that the Columbia-Barnard Athletic Consortium is a member of.</p>
<p>“Ivy League” only has 8 members which does not include Barnard. A lot of foreign people work in the U.S. that does not mean they are all American citizens.</p>
<p>Also Columbia/Barnard Athletic Consortium is the member of NCAA. “Ivy League” is no longer limited to athletics after the formation of the NCAA.</p>
<p>ha this is fun
[NCAA</a> Members By Division](<a href=“http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/divisionListing]NCAA”>http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec/divisionListing)</p>
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<p>WOW, this line approves Barnard is the ninth member of Ivy League. What a joke! This is really fun!</p>
<p>MIT students can also join Harvard athletic activity and therefore MIT is also Ivy League (10 th member ?)</p>