<p>collegeboy, i went on both harvard and mit’s athletic sites and neither of them say this: </p>
<p>THE COLUMBIA-BARNARD ATHLETIC CONSORTIUM
Under a unique agreement, women at Barnard College and the undergraduate division of Columbia University compete together as members of University-wide athletic teams. The arrangement, known as a “consortium” under NCAA rules, is one of just three in the nation and is the only one in Division I. It provides the opportunity for female students enrolled at separate colleges to compete within one athletic program while drawing on the resources of all the colleges.</p>
<p>Established in 1983, the consortium was designed to coincide with the admission of women to Columbia College. It was built upon an already established women’s athletic program at Barnard College. By building on that program, the University sought to provide all undergraduate women with the finest competitive opportunities. Both Barnard and Columbia believe that the consortium creates an athletic program within the Ivy League that is far stronger than what either institution could offer individually.</p>
<p>The female student-athlete at Columbia University has a wide variety of educational options to choose from. She may enroll in any of three main undergraduate divisions of the University - Barnard College, Columbia College and the Fu Foundation School of Engineering - and be eligible to compete for Columbia University teams. Undergraduate students in the School of Nursing and the School of General Studies are also eligible. </p>
<p>MIT and Harvard do not have a similar agreement. sorry.</p>
<p>Harvard and MIT students can jointly participate 'intramural sports team '.
MIT students can join Harvard team and Harvard students can join MIT team.</p>
<p>Intramural sports =/= DI competitive sports. The Ivy League is a DI league. Barnard’s consortium allows Barnard to compete in Columbia’s DI teams, making it technically part of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>what the? really collegeboy? you believe that MIT competing in intramural sports team is the equivalence of barnard competing under the banner “Columbia University” for varsity athletics? please - that is beyond laughable.</p>
<p>a) that is a club team. are you equivocating a club team with a D-I varsity team?
b) she is in the Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology, which is indeed a unique graduate division, but not an undergraduate division.</p>
<p>“MEMP candidates may choose to apply through MIT, Harvard or both. Those applying to MEMP through MIT should apply directly to HST. Those applying to MEMP through Harvard must apply to either the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) or the Program in Biophysics. Applicants to MEMP/BIG are encouraged to apply through SEAS and/or Biophysics.”</p>
<p>The undergraduate opportunities through HST are only for research mentorship. there is no similar joint-school degree program.</p>
<p>As i wrote above in no place on the MIT or the Harvard website do they note that they have an athletic consortium agreement.</p>
The Ivy League is a sports conference, and they do not participate in sports with everyone else. So technically, no.</p>
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<li>If you were going for a “prestige” or educational direction, I still say no because I think one of the most important, if not most, important aspects of an undergraduate, and Ivy League, education is the student body with which you are surrounded. CC and SEAS chooses from the BEST of the best students around the world which guarantees a superb student body. Barnard is not only significantly less selective, but it also ignores a full HALF of the human race during admissions. Instantly a less rewarding education.</li>
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<p>COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY EQUAL EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY AND STUDENT NONDISCRIMINATION POLICIES </p>
<p>Columbia University does not discriminate against any person in the administration of its educational policies, admissions policies, scholarship and loan programs…
…on the basis of race, color, ** sex, gender<a href=“including%20gender%20identity%20and%20expression”>/b</a>, pregnancy, religion,…</p>
<p>Since Barnard’s admission committee discriminates against gender, Barnard can’t be part of Columbia.</p>
<p>Okay i had some very vague pronouns. Of course the ivies play other sports conferences. I meant barnard doesn’t play within the league, BUT, apparently they do (thanks to admissionsgeek’s strangely encyclopedic knowledge). </p>
<p>1) That doesn’t diminish my point whatsoever. I actually laughed. A less selective body brings down the overall quality of undergrads at Columbia. Yeah, maybe Barnard is self-selecting. However, there is no way that accounts for the 30% admissions, and further, what are they self-selecting for? Girls who feel threatened when they compete with men?</p>
<p>collegeboy - you’ve gone from annoying to a nuisance. congratulations.</p>
<p>but the simple point being, if playing in the ivy league means that your school is in the ivy league, by that definition barnard is an ivy league school in fact it just goes to show you on the one hand just how specifically athletic the idea is. and any false snobbery about how elite the ivies are should not be confused with the fact that at the end of the day it is just an athletic league.</p>
<p>Collegeboy, the “Consortium” applies to Columbia as well – that is there are 8 members of the Ivy League athletic conference, the Columbia-Barnard consortium is one of the 8, not a 9th. It’s just the way it is. </p>
<p>Historically, the REASON is that most of the Ivy League colleges used to be all male; Columbia was the last of the schools to go co-ed. Columbia went co-ed after about a decade of trying to negotiate a merger agreement with Barnard. Because Barnard would not agree to the terms for merger that Columbia wanted, Columbia eventually decided to simply go co-ed in the early 1980’s, but by that point all of the other Ivies were developing strong women’s teams, and Barnard already had strong Div III athletic teams – so the best way for Columbia to be able to put together competitive women’s teams was to have Barnard women (and Barnard coaches) in the league. </p>
<p>Since it is an athletic league – not a snobbery league – the goal of the coaches was to have strong, competitive teams made up of the best players they could get.</p>
<p>My daughter is not an athlete, so if Ivy League = athletic league, then it has no impact on my daughter, who has never played on any league for anything in her life. So I really don’t care one way or another – I’m just pointing out that the Barnard clearly is part of the conference.</p>
<p>At the risk of stirring the flames, I’ll reply - </p>
<p>1) No, Barnard is not an “Ivy League”. It is affiliated with Columbia, and Barnard girls may choose to play on their teams, but it is by no means defined by an athletic association that has long since evolved into a back-patting, dreadfully condescending elitist culture. </p>
<p>2) I cannot believe someone used the amount of time Columbia kids spend on CC as opposed to Barnard girls as criteria for superiority.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, an Ivy degree does not by all means prevent you from sounding like a complete jackass. You might want to ask a few girls about the merits of an all-girls school before making presumptions. For my two cents, I’ve gone to an all-girls school before and appreciated how the school catered specifically to my gender, much like how Carnegie Mellon emphasizes on math-science kids, or how a LAC caters to people of certain…temperament. </p>
<p>Ironically, I’m more comfortable with guys than I am with most girls. But I see a single-sex school as a privilege, not a refuge.</p>
in fact it just goes to show you on the one hand just how specifically athletic the idea is. and any false snobbery about how elite the ivies are should not be confused with the fact that at the end of the day it is just an athletic league.</p>