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It looks like most Barnard students are trying to hide the fact that they are attending Barnard
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<p>I wouldn't say most. But it is a widespread problem.</p>
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Barnard students are ashamed of being a Barnard student in general ?
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<p>I don't think they're ashamed of Barnard at all. I think they figure they can "steal the $20 that is sitting on the table and not get caught." They're hoping to improve their chances of getting a job, impressing a guy (like any guy would care... hell, they probably prefer Barnard girls in many ways), etc.</p>
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They are not proud of being Barnard student by not putting Barnard name on their resume ?
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<p>It isn't pride, necessarily. Why have the Camry when you can drive the Benz?</p>
<p>what would happen if an employer discovered that an employee lied on her resume by saying that she went to Columbia when she really attended Barnard?</p>
<p>Technically, it's not lying. The Princeton Review says, "The four colleges of Columbia University (Columbia College, the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, Barnard, and General Studies) all share the same pool of academic resources provided by the University."
But I agree, Barnard is a great school in its own right.</p>
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Technically, it's not lying. The Princeton Review says
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<p>Um, the Princeton Review isn't the gospel. Barnard isn't a college of Columbia like the other 3. It is an affliated university.</p>
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what would happen if an employer discovered that an employee lied on her resume by saying that she went to Columbia when she really attended Barnard?
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<p>Probably nothing. If the employee is competent, they wouldn't fire her. It isn't like finding out you're employing an axe murderer.</p>
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are the barnard chicks hot?
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<p>Some are, some aren't, as with anything else.</p>
<p>barnard actually does have an honor code (which the other schools of columbia do not) and they are quite proud of it. it only refers to cheating on assignments though.. not to trying to take advantage of one's degree by not putting all your info on a resume.</p>
<p>well i'm going to barnard next year (rejected columbia) but i actually don't tell people those things. my mom did and i yelled at her because i know that i didn't get into columbia, i got a nice big fat rejection letter to remind me, and while I understand the anger columbia students feel towards barnard girls that DO do those things, please remember that not all of us are like that. Also, my cousin-in-law went to barnard and i think she might say that she went to columbia because she was a computer-science major and 70% of her classes WERE columbia classes. anyway, remember, please don't make judgements on ALL the barnard girls, not all of us are like that.</p>
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Also, my cousin-in-law went to barnard and i think she might say that she went to columbia because she was a computer-science major and 70% of her classes WERE columbia classes.
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<p>This can't be rationalized. Your cousin-in-law DID NOT go to Columbia. If she tells people that, she's a fraud. </p>
<p>Monkeys have 99% of the same DNA as we do. That don't make us monkeys!</p>
<p>how can you say that? she DID go to columbia. she didnt just sit in on classes and rue the fact that she wasnt smart enough to be a member of the arrogant columbia elite. she took a majority of her classes there, did well enough in them to stay in the program, studied with columbia students, and did her senior thesis under a columbia professor. she went to barnard... of columbia. i'm sorry you've run into a few barnard women, columbia2002, who are not as proud of barnard as i would like them to be, or who maybe assume employers arent familiar with barnard, but you cannot generalize for all barnard women, especially when there are some who by virtue of their program of study do seem more like columbia students.</p>
<p>I took 2 Barnard classes. I went to Columbia. I did not go to Barnard. Plenty of Columbia folk take tons of classes at Barnard, yet they still go to Columbia. "Go to" implies, in the context of this conversation, the college that is listed on your transcript, etc. It is irrelevant how many classes she took at Columbia, as the fact remains that she will never have a Columbia degree and will always have a Barnard degree. </p>
<p>Here's an another analogy. You're a driver for some famous guy and shuttle him around in his Rolls Royce all day. You drive a Rolls Royce every day, you sit in it, you hold the keys to it, etc. But you do not own the Rolls Royce. It is not yours and will never be yours no matter how much you drive it. </p>
<p>As I've repeatedly said, this is NOT the case with ALL Barnard girls. Some do this stuff, some don't. The problem, however, is widespread enough such that everybody who attends Columbia knows about it.</p>
<p>Columbia2002, I think you need to get a little less worked up about these things. You're obviously older than the average CC poster, yet you seem to spend a great deal of time here viciously defending Columbia and battling anyone who attempts to say anything negative about it. What does it matter to you if Barnard girls say they went to Columbia? Maybe they're deluding themselves but who cares? It doesn't affect you in the slightest, and honestly your vehemence is childish and pointless. Maybe you need to find better things to do with your time, since I'm assuming you are in graduate school or at a job. I would just calm down a little and realize that your anger is useless and could be better funneled into something actually productive.</p>
<p>i don't think she actually does tell people that ... i think it says barnard college, columbia university on her resume ... but i'm saying i think thats a little more justified than someone from barnard who has taken like 1 columbia class ...</p>
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What does it matter to you if Barnard girls say they went to Columbia?
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<p>It doesn't affect my life. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Advocating a position effectively isn't being "worked up" and isn't "vehemence." I'm calm and not angry at all. This isn't about me -- it is about Barnard/Columbia, so your attacking the messenger and not the message is quite pointless and irrelevant.</p>
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but i'm saying i think thats a little more justified than someone from barnard who has taken like 1 columbia class
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<p>There is no balancing test. It is black and white. You either go to Columbia or you go to Barnard. Plenty of Barnard girls are quite heavily involved in Columbia matters, be it Columbia athletic teams, Columbia-Barnard clubs, living in the Columbia dorms or taking classes at Columbia. Every Barnard girl could make a claim that she is "justified" in saying she went to Columbia, yet none of them do/did go to Columbia.</p>
<p>As someone who will be attending Columbia in the fall, I agree with Columbia2002. If you were never actually accepted by Columbia, then you have no right to say that you go there or went there.</p>
<p>I think that, considering the fact that the only time this would EVER effect anyone posting here is if they were up against one of these barnard girls for a job or whatnot, it's kind of pointless to even care. If you ever ARE in that position then it comes down to a test between people, not what school one went to.</p>
<p>many (but not all, as several posters remind us) barnard students say they go to columbia. in my experience, i've never personally met a barnard student who did this, probably because they probably tried to come off like a columbia student. but i've seen its prevalence on things like facebook, which while not a totally valid reflection of someone's life, does carry weight when barnard students describe their own graduation as "a columbia graduation," etc.</p>
<p>her cousin didn't go to Columbia College, GS or SEAS. But she did go to Barnard College a component of Columbia University and her diploma says so.</p>
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Barnard College a component of Columbia University and her diploma says so.
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<p>Where does your chosen term of art, "component," come from? In Barnard's own words, it is an independent institution that is AFFILIATED with Columbia. To my knowledge, nowhere in Barnard's literature nor on the diploma is Barnard defined as a "component" of Columbia. Don't you think creating your own term so you can set up your point is a bit of a straw man?</p>
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I think that, considering the fact that the only time this would EVER effect anyone posting here is if they were up against one of these barnard girls for a job or whatnot, it's kind of pointless to even care. If you ever ARE in that position then it comes down to a test between people, not what school one went to.
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<p>This is a terrible way to frame the issue. In your view, it is "kind of pointless to even care" about a wrong or an injustice or something that's unfair if you're not personally affected. That is utter selfishness.</p>
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If they put Columbia University, technically that's not wrong.
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<p>Barnard College is a distinct university, with its own endowment, central administration / trustees, etc. Even buying your incorrect argument that it is "technically...not wrong," it is still misrepresentation, dishonesty, an attempt to mislead and concealment of critical information.</p>