<p>1/2 image 1/2 substance? It seems to more about image to me than that.</p>
<p>Go CalX!</p>
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I'm going to be working with the Chancellor, Alumni association and concerned faculty and staff towards that goal.
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<p>Ooo...someone knows people in high places.</p>
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Berkeley has an enormous amount of resources that can be leverage to put us back where we belong, out of the high teens and into the top three.
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<p>Top three... What Berkeley once was, Berkeley can be again--and actually is right now, just most don't acknowledge it.</p>
<p>how is CC a blog site?</p>
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Top three... What Berkeley once was, Berkeley can be again--and actually is right now, just most don't acknowledge it.
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<p>Yes...but only in terms of its graduate school.</p>
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<p>True, for undergraduate it isn't quite there.</p>
<p>Then again, while it may not be in the top three, it certainly is higher than the 20's.</p>
<p>Jack Bauer got his master's degree from Berkeley. I think the media's portrayal of Cal could help.</p>
<p>Seriously, I'm irked that Berkeley is trashed on this forum as often as it is, when Cal is often ranked in the top 5 universities in the world.</p>
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Seriously, I'm irked that Berkeley is trashed on this forum as often as it is, when Cal is often ranked in the top 5 universities in the world.
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I think people on CC like to go by US News.</p>
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Jack Bauer got his master's degree from Berkeley. I think the media's portrayal of Cal could help.
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Yeah he also got his undergrad at UCLA. Fox definitely has a positive portrayal of Cal. If any of you watch or follow up with the show OC, the father graduted from Boalt Law, and some of the teens are going to Berkeley next fall.</p>
<p>Yeahh Ryan's coming to Berkeley!</p>
<p>True about US News, but since they heavily weigh the factor of endowments (honestly, Harvard: $25 billion, Stanford: $13 billion......Cal at $3 billion!), there's no way Cal or other public universities can crack into high rankings. Kind of ridiculous.</p>
<p>It was top 3 even for undergraduate a little over a generation ago. Until the Democrats and hippies started driving the state's public sector into the ground ...</p>
<p>Yes!!!He's back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>This time I have to agree somewhat, and amazingly, with CantSilenceTruth.</p>
<p>Berkeley academic reputation was driven into the ground by the student protests--enough so that a certain California governor could ride into office by promising to "fix the mess at Berkeley."</p>
<p>If one searched for a time when Cal took a distinct downturn in terms of academic reputation, that would be it.</p>
<p>I don't agree with that at all. In fact the student protests are one of the reasons that Cal is still a superpower. Many, many college professors come to Cal (for less than they'd get at Ivys) because they love the outspoken and free atmosphere here, which can be linked directly to student protests.</p>
<p>Student activism, I believe is the major reason.</p>
<p>Campaigning against genocide in Darfur is one thing--causing a general riot over People's Park is quite another (the creation of the Park was a laudable action--the riot was foolhardy and counterproductive).</p>
<p>The divide, I believe, is as large as the difference between the Civil Rights Movement and the following Black Power Movement.</p>
<p>One garners public respect (obviously not universally, but generally) and the other garners public horror.</p>
<p>CIVIL activism and CIVIL disobedience is one thing. Anarchy and chaos is quite another.</p>
<p>There's nothing wrong with protests, but the university's reputation was tarnish (perhaps unfairly, but even so) by those riots.</p>
<p>But I'm sure we probably disagree in our definitions of what is civil and what is not and what is appropriate and what is not.</p>
<p>Berkeley's reputation was tarnished in the eyes of some people, and I agree that that has hurt us in the eye of parts of the public, but many high profile professors have said in interviews that they've basically taken pay cuts to teach at Cal because of its unique social atmosphere, so I think its a net gain.</p>
<p>Forgive me for being ignorant, but when were these People's Park protests, and what were they about?</p>
<p>UC Berkeley created a "Long Range Plan for Expansion" and used eminent domain (one of the few times where being public helped Berkeley) to take control of a plot of land.</p>
<p>It was originally planned to become new dorms and then became slated to become a student parking lot among other things.</p>
<p>Then, depending on varying accounts, the students either became communist and decided to seize the park to make it People's Park to protest the Cold War, or the students, seeing how massive a dump the land had become with demolition and no construction, mass volunteered to clean it up and plant grass/trees to make a park.</p>
<p>Considering business owners around the land were the original ones to protest the mess and were pleased by the clean-up, I find the second more credible.</p>
<p>Anyhow to cut a long story short, Reagan took offence, sent in police and troops, the students rioted, got beaten and tear-gased, Reagan became a hero, and Berkeley became stygmied.</p>
<p>I think the liberal atmosphere is both a boon and a curse. It's just how Berkeley is so, take it for what it's worth. I don't think it's had a serious effect on the education quality at Berkeley. It's probably due to other factors.</p>
<p>CantSilenceTruth is back!! <em>dances</em> Without him in the past few weeks the boards actually made Berkeley look like a good school to attend. :rolleyes:</p>