<p>i've heard that to become a cadaver or a sigma, one must be in the "big four" (of which there are only three now becuase of beta's becoming kicked off). is it true that phi kap, phi delt, and SAE throw down the hardest? i know you hate talking about fraternities, dima, but lets get real here. my cousin said phi kap is all northern laxers, phi delt is the cooler southern kids who have a womanizer rep, and SAE is the old school southern frat. he also said all three have a bit of a coke problem. is this true?</p>
<p>If you're an incoming freshman you have only three more months to wait and then you'll learn for yourself.</p>
<p>I know maybe 3 Phi Kaps, 4 Phi Delts and 2 SAEs. I can't judge entire houses from that small a sample size.</p>
<p>I have been told though that the sigmas are essentially just a group of guys who get together to do coke, I don't know if that means entire houses have coke problems, but apparently that organization does.</p>
<p>why is this subj so secretive?</p>
<p>One answer may be that people generally don't feel comfortable saying things about organizations of which they are not members. And they also don't really want to talk about themselves either.</p>
<p>And of course, secret societies are --not surprisingly -- secret!</p>
<p>So let me say something factual here, in response to the perception that Phi Kap is "all northern laxers." Fact: out of 21 pledges this spring (largest pledge class on campus by 1), 8 are members of the lax team (that's 38% of the sophomore class). Most of these 8 are from mid-Atlantic states (MD, PA, NJ). Similar pattern exists in preceding pledge class. And there are brothers on other teams in the frat as well (football, basketball, baseball, etc), as well as brothers not on any team. Not quite "all northern laxers," though perhaps it's understandable why many view the Skulls' crossbones as lacrosse sticks.</p>
<p>btw... what's a cadaver?</p>
<p>im laughing at that post. im a phi delt and all of my best friends not in my pledge class are phi kapps. i can say with confidence that it is FAR from true to say that all phi delts and phi kaps have a coke problem. alot of sigmas i know dont do coke either. phi delt is not all southern kids (there are five northern kids in my pledgeclass); as esquette made clear, phi kap is far from all laxers. stop worrying about status and the "big four" and rush where you like the guys. too many kids enter W&L wanting to go sae or phi delt or phi kap just because they heard it was cool then realize they fit in much better elsewhere. and change your handle its ridiculous.</p>
<p>i hear what youre saying pirt but im not going to argue since i am going to rush phi delt in the fall! im not concerned with status; it's just that i heard that phi delt and phi kap are the two coolest frats with the guys who drink the most, hook up with the most kappas, and smoke the most pot and thats how i was throughout high school so i just figured thats where im going to fit in best. what do you have to do to get a bid? do you really get smoked up for free in rush all the time? sorry to be so blunt (pun intended) but i want to make sure i get a bid to the "delts" and the "skulls."</p>
<p>and you got into w&l?</p>
<p>are you really going to a top lac to drink, hook up with kappas, and smoke pot? you might just become another one of those frosh guys who dont have the grades to make it back for sophomore year</p>
<p>and if youre not concerned about status why is it you want to hook up with kappas? theres more than one sorority out there</p>
<p>I detect a jokester. relax.</p>
<p>is this really thurston powell the third?</p>
<p>My question is why do you think Kappas or any girls will even give you a second look with an attitude like that?</p>
<p>cadaver, like musictoad, i too am beginning to think youre saying all this tongue-in-cheek. if youre not, a few things: one, there are no "coolest frats" at W&L--nearly everyone is in a fraternity and every fraternity party is open to everyone unlike almost every other school in the country. everyone ends up falling in with a great group of friends; two, smoking weed does not prove your "coolness" to any active of any fraternity--if anything, it's a turnoff that you seem so eager to get high instead of worrying about academics in your first term of college; three, any outward cries to "make sure I get a bid" will surely get you balled from every house. good day sir.</p>
<p>again, what is a cadaver?</p>
<p>Cadaver is a secret society at W&L.</p>
<p>come on pirt loosen up! don't give me all that fair-minded "everyone fits in best in different places" BS--OF COURSE there are frats that are cooler than others. its a reality of every school with a vibrant greek system. and i know that phi delt and phi kap are the best at W&L. WL2011, cadaver is a secret society in which members dress up in all black late at night and spraypaint their symbol all over campus and run through dorms making fun of people, etc. the school tolerates it bc of how much money cadaver alums give back to the school. sigma is not a secret society (they all wear a ring). it is comprised of the biggest drinkers/ drug users of the big three.</p>
<p>first, phi kap is considered a northen lax fraternity because we pretty much are. we only have 1 or 2 kids who are from south of va and also around 90% or more of us have either played lax in high school or play now. </p>
<p>second, cadaver88 stop coming off so hard, you are suicide rushing way too early. wait at least 2 wks. kidding. </p>
<p>either way lay back enjoy freshman term, meet doug bealle, and slap anyone you meet with the first name dixon.</p>
<p>wow that sounds fun. So how do pple get initiated? is it only guys</p>
<p>Ranking fraternities is somewhat subjective, but here is my rundown:
(descending by the hotness of the babes that hang out with them)</p>
<p>Phi Kap (The Baltimore/Northern Laxer Frat)
Phi Delt (The Southern Athlete Frat)
SAE (The Southern Gentry Frat (mostly w&l legacies))
Sigma Chi (The Cooler Guys That Don't Fit in With the above Frat)
KA (The Neo-Confederate Football Player Frat)
Kappa Sig (The “I didn’t get a bid from one of the above” Frat)
FIJI (The Runner/Wrestler/Sports Frat)
PiKA (The Swimmer Frat)
Pi Phi (The Soccer Frat)
Phi Psi (The Random Frat)
Chi Psi (The Sketchy Late Nite Frat)
Lambda (The “I really want to be a politician, so I don’t party very hard” Frat)
Sigma Nu (The Highest GPA Frat)
Sig Ep (Not a Frat)</p>
<p>That’s my list. The higher up frats have more money, more coke, and the most crowded parties. This ranking is my own view, and is open to debate. Frats are probably more identifiable in tiers. Ranking the middle frats was a wash, but I tried my best.</p>
<p>For incoming freshman, all I have to say is try to visit everywhere at least once during the fall term. Sure, you may have been the man at your high school, but college is the big leagues. Don’t be obsessed with the pecking order, because figuring out where you truly fit in will lead to the most satisfying greek experience. I know a Phi Kap who realized after joining that he is not really happy being a Skull, and I know a SNu who loves his frat. Be yourself, or otherwise you will not be happy with the frat you joined. </p>
<p>I won’t list the sororities because one can observe that pecking order within minutes of stepping foot on campus, especially since there are only five. W&L is building a sixth srat house, which is good, since sorority rush drives every girl on the campus insane. And the thing I said about being yourself during rush so you will be happy once a member for the guys is extra true for the girls.</p>
<p>And yes, not being in a frat is possible at W&L. I don't know many independents, but the few I do know still tend to hang out with certain frats, even though they are not members, mainly since the greek scene dominates.</p>
<p>Y'alls thoughts?</p>
<p>i told yall there was a definite hierarchy of frats with the delts and the skulls at the top!</p>
<p>few additions:</p>
<p>Phi Kap (The Baltimore/Northern Laxer Frat)/loves lax pennies/ armbands/ CT high school lingo/ "mr. jones"/ self proclaimed "premier" fraternity</p>
<p>Phi Delt (The Southern Athlete Frat) "gayzing"/ visors/ sketchy dance floors/ predatorial behavior toward freshmen girls/ nike kicks/ potheads</p>
<p>SAE (The Southern Gentry Frat (mostly w&l legacies))/ tucked in button downs/ topsiders/ costa del mar/ no athletes/ proudest of mediocre windafall parties</p>
<p>---------end of big three</p>
<p>Sigma Chi (The Cooler Guys That Don't Fit in With the above Frat)/ GAL PALS/ texas kids/ leftover of phi kap/phi delt/ sae</p>
<p>KA (The Neo-Confederate Football Player Frat)/ fat kids/confederate flags mandatory/ required to be narrow minded/ girl deprived</p>
<p>Kappa Sig (The “I didn’t get a bid from one of the above” Frat)/ JV FRAT/ rugby players/ odd hobes parties</p>
<p>FIJI (The Runner/Wrestler/Sports Frat) loves taking shirts off/ biggest fraternity largely off the radar/ funny composites</p>
<p>PiKA (The Swimmer Frat) the house next to phi delt/ volleyball 24/7</p>
<p>Pi Phi (The Soccer Frat) cool guys who didnt get rushed by phi kap</p>
<p>Phi Psi (The Random Frat) might as well not exist/ next to sae/ internationals</p>
<p>Chi Psi (The Sketchy Late Nite Frat)/ only independently owned house/ ****show late night</p>
<p>Lambda (The “I really want to be a politician, so I don’t party very hard” Frat)/ the smart kid who went to your high school and has recently discovered how to unwind with a bronson on a saturday night ONLY</p>
<p>Sigma Nu (The Highest GPA Frat)/ complains about skulls stealing food/ doesnt have a single off campuse house</p>
<p>Sig Ep (Not a Frat)/ NOT A DRY HOUSE/ who?</p>
<p>...so my cousin tells me</p>
<p>haha those are the most accurate stereotypes ive ever seen. adn very funny. well done cadaver.</p>