<p>I know that many schools offer accelerated programs. However, I want to clarify something. Does the program start when you are an undergraduate or does it start in medical school??</p>
<p>Also, which colleges offer the best combined programs?</p>
<p>As far as "combined" programs, I think it starts after college. Brown PLME is considered a really good one, and though you are guaranteed entrance into Brown's medical school (provided you complete premed requirements and keep a solid GPA), the college and med school are completely separate, so college+med school will still take 8 years. Rice has a similar program but I don't know the specifics.</p>
<p>Actually there are several combined programs that start straight after high school. I am attending the University of Missouri-Kansas City's 6 year program and I know of another one in Ohio called NEOUCOM. For these programs you apply your senior year of high school, and for NEOUCOM I knew if I was in by December! </p>
<p>You should just search online and find the one that is right for you. Some are 6 years or 8, some require the MCAT while others do not. There are quite a few of them if you take the time to search.</p>
<p>I would highly suggest UMKC... but I'm kind of biased. :)</p>
<p>hey melodious04: you said you knew from NEOUCOM by December......did you have to make your decision whether to accept or reject NEOUCOM before you received accepts/rejects from other schools you applied to (such as umkc)? i saw that i'll know for one program by mid-December, but other programs only let me know in the spring--haha assuming i get into ANY. also, you were required to take the act for umkc right? also, what did your stats look like and what programs did you apply to and get accepted to?</p>
<p>Lets see...</p>
<p>No I did not have to tell NEOUCOM that I was coming before other programs, in fact I didn't decided until very late May. It was a toss up between Ohio and Missouri, and I am so glad that Missouri won. :)</p>
<p>I didn't apply to very many combined programs, partly because a lot of them were so far away from home. I did get accepted to the engineering schools at Washington University, Northwestern, and Vanderbilt (Havard rejected me :) but that was more of a "o why not?" decision than anything). </p>
<p>And I have to go into my lecture about how stats mean nothing of course. My boyfriend for example had a 4.0 GPA, 1600 SAT AND 36 ACT (1 sitting!) and still got rejected from MIT. I only took the ACT once, got a 30 and was over and done with it. My GPA was a 3.9 unweighted.</p>
<p>Although I didn't apply to very many, I can say that BS/MD programs like NEOUCOM and UMKC look for very involved people (I had a crazy ammount of extracurriculars) that can balance a tight schedule. But most importantly they want people who will be passionate, caring physicians. It doesn't matter if you stats are higher or lower (except for out of state you have to have a minimum 28 ACT), just make sure you want to be a doctor and that you are willing to work EXTREMELY hard (22 credit hours is no joke)....</p>
<p>Ok I'm off my soapbox now... :)
If you want more advice about UMKC applications (or those CRAZY NEOUCOM interviews... I got an interview at all 3 schools, but ended up choosing YSU...) just ask. :)</p>
<p>Hi melodius,</p>
<p>I will apply to UMKC for the med program. I am out of state though. I will also apply to NEOUCOM. Do you think I have a chance with my stats?</p>
<p>ACT: 28
Taking SAT in november
High School Senior
SAT II (took in november)
Math 2c (predicted 700+)
Physics (650+)
Writing (700+)</p>
<p>GPA 4.31/4.0
unweighted 3.5/4.0</p>
<p>our school does not rank</p>
<p>I go to the top high school in illinois</p>
<p>APs:
Euro 3 (soph)
Chem 3 (jr)
Physics 4 (jr)
Stat (Sr)
Bio (Sr)
Composition (Sr)
Psych (Sr)
US (Sr)</p>
<p>ECs:
American Cancer Society Intern: Researched BRCA2 and its role in Breast Cancer at UIC molecular biology lab for one summer (320 hours)
Participated in NWU's Health Profession Recruitment and Exposure Program (8 weeks, 1 hr a week)
Attended Biology Seminars at the Univ of Chicago (1 hour, 4 weeks)
200+ hours ER (Rush Hospital) 2 yrs
Participated in the Early Outreach Program at UIC for summer of 9th grade
Attended an all expense paid trip to Atlanta for a Biomedical Symposium</p>
<p>Participated in Chicago Public Schools College Bridge Program (Earned both high school and college credit for classes that were free)
The Grades I received were:
Intro to Comp Applications A (4.0)
Precalculus A (4.0)
Calculus A (4.0)
Moral Problems: Urban Issues A (4.0)
taking: Intro to Islam (predicted 4.0)
Will take more classes at both UIC and Loyola</p>
<p>Clubs:
Muslim Student Association 4 yrs (Pres: 2yrs)
Premed Club 4 yrs (VP 1 yr, Pres 1 yr)
NJHS 2 yrs
NHS 1 yr
Peer Leadership 2yrs
Math Team 4yrs
Chess Club 3 yrs
Key Club 3 yrs</p>
<p>Do I have a chance anywhere?</p>
<p>UCLA/UCR has one, in which you get your BS from UCR then you get your M.D from UCLA it is a 7 year program. While UCR isn't a wonderfull school UCLA is a great medical school so it is a good program I think.</p>
<p>There are also accelerated M.D/Ph.D programs in which you earn an M.D/Ph.D in only 7 years which is actually very fast consirduring how long it takes to do each individually. A great program would be UCSF MSTP, like all MSTP, MED SCHOOL IS COMPLEATLY FREE. Infact they pay you 23,000 a year for living expenses during the whole 7 year program.</p>
<p>X12287:</p>
<p>Applying out of state to NEOUCOM will be tough, but it couldn't hurt to try.</p>
<p>For UMKC, it seems like you are on the right track. Unfortunately, they don't look at the SAT IIs (neither do some NEOUCOM schools if I remember correctly... and even the SAT is insignificant since they REALLY focus on the ACT) and the only APs that will be beneficial are the Chem, US History, and Psychology (all the rest of yours may count as electives, but you will have to take basically the same classes as everyone else anyway).</p>
<p>Your biggest weakness that I see so far is your GPA. They will take your school's difficulty level into consideration (where did you go... I'm from IL too! :)), but keep in mind that you are competing with people who are valedictorians from schools that are equally as hard. </p>
<p>Your ECs are awesome, they will enjoy that :). Now the trick is figuring how to put all of that into their tiny application! :D</p>
<p>hey melodious: i know you did a a crazy amount of ec's, but my question is concerned with research......to what extent did you get research done? i did one summer's worth at gov school and learned a lot from it, but i know that it will NOT compare in the least with the research that other people have done. is this "enough" so to speak, will it hurt the admissions decision, or will it not matter if it's somehow canceled out by clinical medical experiences (medical assistant at peds office, and then the usual hospital volunteering and shadowing a doc stuff)? thanks!</p>
<p>sorry to butt in: i did a summer at UF, which was related to environmental sciences and horticulture, although it was still cell biology. I am currently researching at UM something i enjoy more which is air way epithelial cells and I have been doing it since this past summer. Does the research at UM play a big role w/ the adcomm at the UM program?</p>
<p>I go to Whitney M. Young High school in downtown chicago. It's competitors are New Trier and some other suburban school. IMSA is by far the best school you will ever encounter in Illinois, but you have to live on campus and have a 1250 freshmen year to get it. So, that doesnt really count. I guess my school is in the top 3, but AOL ranked it number 1 because its well rounded.</p>
<p>P.S.- Melodius, did u apply to UIC GPPA?</p>
<p>I know quite a few people that are at UMKC right now that did no research at all, but they had a lot of other activities to make up for it (Boys/Girls State etc.). I did biochemical and environmental research projects at Grinnell College for a while (and got GREAT recommendations from professors in the math and science departments :)). </p>
<p>I don't want to sound overly idealistic, but it is just the type of person I am: In a sense, you are competing more with yourself for an interview than with other people.</p>
<p>I don't know... it probably sounds crazy, but don't worry about how much research you have or haven't done compared to other people, because in my experience there will ALWAYS be someone that will get in that has less or more than you have. I think the real trick is just making what you HAVE done look amazing on paper. Focus on expressing how valuable you will be to their interring class instead of if you've done enough... you've done what you can.... you're awesome... just let them know that and see where it takes you. :)</p>
<p>Believe it or not, the admissions people are trying to find reason to ACCEPT you not to reject you. Just about anything that you have done (aside from committing a felony among other things :)) will help. In my opinion, the people that don't get in suffer from serious halo effect. Don't tell them what they want to hear, show them who you genuinely are. </p>
<p>And no, I did not apply to UIC GPPA.</p>
<p>... and yes sorry, IMSA does count. :) But I doubt it would matter if your school is ranked 3, or 1, or 5,000. What matters is how you worked with what you had while you where there. And it might be beneficial for you to ask your counselor if she/he can estimate a class rank for you. If your GPA is a 3.5 and you are still, for example, in the top 5%, your grades may help more than a 3.5 alone. </p>
<p>Sorry guys I rant a lot! :D</p>
<p>melodious,</p>
<p>whats so tricky about putting everything on the application. If u run out of space, you can always attach a paper, right? Also, when you went to the interview did you see other people? How did they rank with you?</p>
<p>If I remember correctly the application says, "In THIS space provided," and the space is almost less than half a page. I could be wrong, but chances are if you write more then the required space you need to refocus what it is you want to tell them. They limit your responses not just for time reasons: They want to see how effectively and efficiently you can formulate your thoughts. At your interview, they ask you the exact same question that is in the "essay" and it shouldn't take you 4 pages to answer. From my experience, the shorter and more focused my essay was, the better the response I received... but that's just me... what do I know? :)</p>
<p>There were a lot of people there who had scores way higher than mine at my interview and did not get in (34-35 ACT range). Similarly, I know at least 7 people who got a 32 on the ACT and only got 1 interview at NEOUCOM (and I might regret mentioning this, but there were people of practically EVERY race with scores lower than mine that DID get in and scores higher than mine that did NOT get in... no reverse discrimination in these programs as far as I can see). </p>
<p>Once you get an interview, it is really the interview itself that will set you over the top. They are not going to say, "Oh... This person does not have very good interpersonal skills, and they said nothing that set them apart from everyone else, but hey, they have a 35 on the ACT... ADMIT!" I believe, however, that the converse is true. For these programs, an awesome interview can, and will, make up for weaker test scores. </p>
<p>I'm telling you guys, your stats are already on track with everyone else's. Now just lather on the charm! ;) And if you get one, dont forget to PRACTICE your interview. Especially at the NEOUCOM interviews, they ask you a LOT of moral/ethical questions about medicine. If you dont know any of the LATEST trends in stem cell research, universal health care, or malpractice lawsuits, you will be in big trouble (believe it or not, some people didnt). If you bring up an ethical topic of your own to discuss (I mentioned an article I published about sex slaves and female oppression in Sudan, and how that related to why I wanted to be an OB/GYN) even better.</p>
<p>hi. i'm a soph in nyc high school and i'm very interested in combined/accelerated prgms. any suggestions on which classes, courses/volunteer/research would help me a lot. also i just got my sat ii bio E score (750) should i retake? none ap's taken so far. Thanks</p>
<p>hey all! well i just have to say that i'm really hoping to get into the umkc 6 year ba/md program. thats the only school with a combined degree program that i applied to. i must say though... im a bit nervous about my odds of admission.. lol i guess its just the jitters ha! anyways i'd really like to talk to anyone who has had previous admission experience with this school. i'd just like to know what the actual process was and how selective the school is... thanks alot!</p>
<p>Is there a website for UMKC 6 year program.</p>
<p>yes there is! i got all my information from this website it's actually very helpful compared to other school's just click <a href="http://research.med.umkc.edu/education/default.html%5B/url%5D">http://research.med.umkc.edu/education/default.html</a></p>
<p>thanks macantu.</p>
<p>I'm a junior in high school, expecting a GPA between 3.86 and 3.92 unweighted, (4.15-4.2-ish weighted) with 1500+ SAT scores...</p>
<p>1st question: are those stats good enough for admission? (just considering the numbers, not EC's etc)
2nd question: what programs could I get into with those stats if not UMKC?
3rd question: how would I interview if I'm from California? by phone? or fly out there?
4th question: is the ACT required for these advanced BS/MD programs?</p>