<p>I've been accepted into Columbia and NYU, can anyone break down the differences in their undergrad med programs for me? I know NYU is notorious for weeding out med students in the sciences, I'm assuming Columbia is too. Grade inflation at both? Is there a higher acceptance rate into Med school at one of them? Does NYU premed feed into NYU Med school, meaning is there alum preference in admissions? Honestly, I would be content at either one, I just wanted to be in NY at a great med program, I just need some more information on them both, so any feed back about either of the programs would be great.</p>
<p>life in NYC for student is overrated. If your grown up and making big bucks, yeah sure the city is pretty hot. But as a student who wants to learn and have an overall, college experience NYC is a terrible place to be. Believe me i've lived and studied here for several months now. That said, Columbia still provides more of a college experience than nyu and the people you'll be dealing are going to be smarter but not necessarily nerdier. students from col are usually happier and coming out, are more successful. people at columbia are also going to be much more well rounded than nyu - this is something that is very important for medical school. You want to sorround yourself with people who are socially active in society; med schools are looking for this character in students. All this said, I think you should go to Columbia. You'll be successful if you work hard at both colleges I think you'll be happier with the student body at columbia. </p>
<p>NYU isn't a bad school but it really is overrated. i know a few people who got into nyu full ride scholarship and they chose to go to cooper union because academically, they felt they wouldn't learn as much at nyu. These students who did this are all pre-med btw and they want to best prepare themselves for med school.</p>
<p>lately my philosophy on college has become, forget prestige. just have fun, get involved, do well and graduate with no regrets. so just visit both campuses and talk to people (students, faculty members, alumni,etc..). If you think you'll be happier at nyu just go to nyu without a second's hesitation.</p>
<p>MIT students do not have higher GPA's than Princeton does overall. Rather, those MIT students who get admitted to med-school have a higher GPA than those Princeton students who get admitted to med-school.</p>
<p>oh, i see........sorry that i was confused.</p>
<p>anybody know the top 5 colleges in US with the highest undergraduate medical school applicants acceptance rates? what are these figures? i could not find those information online...</p>
<p>They're not available online. Your top 5 are probably all going to be small, liberal arts colleges like Williams and Carleton - but that is an assumption on my part. I cannot give the numbers to back that up.</p>
<p>Among universities, Duke, Harvard, Princeton all have good numbers; Yale's are probably very good as well. Stanford's are a little bit lower, but that is most likely because it has to deal with the UC med schools, so it is probably just as good a school as the others in this regard.</p>
<p>This is all very interesting to me because I always thought that to get into a good medical school you would have to go to a prestigious undergraduate school, but actually all that matters is grades. I got into Boston College, but I am probably going to go to Pacific Lutheran in Washington because they gave me a full ride. So even though PLU isn't a well known school, will it actually help my chances of getting into med school?</p>
<p>Here's the thing: grades matter, and good grades from a bad school are better than bad grades from a good school. But going to a good school DOES help. It helps with recognition, it helps with advising, it helps with your overall education! It will help with your MCAT score... and it's something you carry with you for the rest of your life. Choosing a better education will also help you IN medical school, when you still need to do well to impress residencies in the next stage.</p>
<p>Besides which, it is often the case that big-name schools are often easier to get good grades at.</p>
<p>Besides all this, even if it does help your chances, you don't want to be the kind of premed who's going to wuss out just to maximize your chances. This kind of gamesmanship is not how our country ought to be choosing our future doctors. It might help - it usually doesn't, but it might - to go to a lower school.</p>
<p>And if the finances work out that way, or if your family is sick and you need to stay at home, I totally understand. If you want to go to a less-well-known school because you think you'll get a better education there, then that's a choice I'd be very proud of.</p>
<p>But if you are truly choosing an inferior education in the name of promoting your own chances at getting into medical school, I think that's something to be ashamed of. You're robbing yourself of an education.</p>
<p>I switched my name, I am the 440SAT2 person. I did not mean it that way. It is just that Boston College is so expensive and they only gave me $6000 in loans, so it seems like it would be a better investment to go to PLU with a full ride. I know that PLU has a really good pre-med advising program. I would still love to go to BC but to pay $47,000 for 4 years and then go to medical school and pay even more is too much for my family. So I was just wondering if it is ok to go to PLU or whether it would be better to go to BC or even Providence College?</p>
<p>What I mean to say is that if you are making the decision for financial or geographic reasons, then certainly choosing a lower-ranked school is not an overwhelming obstacle.</p>
<p>With that said, I think the bigger-name school is often the better bet - but I have never heard of the schools you mention (except that BC has good basketball), so I can't tell you anything specifically.</p>
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<p>Well, even I wouldn't say that grades are ALL that matter. Better schools can give you better advising, potentially better rec's, and will probably inspire you to work harder. They may also give you greater access to research projects. </p>
<p>But it is definitely true that grades matter a lot. They are probably the 2nd most important attribute after the MCAT.</p>
<p>The MCAT is probably in the $100 range or so.</p>
<p>The application process will probably run you several thousand dollars, all told. You have the MCAT and the prep class; you have the primary at $130 plus $30 per school (usually in the 20 range, especially for CA residents). You have secondary applications, anywhere from $60-$110 per school. Then you have plane tickets and ground transportation, and sometimes hotels, for each interview you do (in my case, 11).</p>
<p>My total bill came out to roughly $6,500, and I always stayed with student hosts.</p>
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<p>The MCAT does not have a math section, but the physics section and the general chemistry section both involve some arithmetic, which you will be expected to do - I believe - in your head.</p>
<p>Anyone want to give me an opinion on Lehigh's pre-med program? I got in with a lot of grant money which makes it heavily appealing. However, on the other end I was also admitted to Case Western. So it would be great if someone give there 2 cents on both lehigh and case.</p>
<p>Does anyone know about pre-med at Providence college? Does honors program require excessive amount of extra work that could make a 3.5 gpa very hard to achieve?</p>
<p>In the end, pick the school that will help make you the better doctor. That involves an education, it involves research opportunities, it involves enough time to pursue related extracurriculars (read: clinical experience), and it involves a strong advising system. I know nothing about any of these schools - Providence had a good NCAA run in, what, 1998? - but those are the principles involved.</p>
<p>hmmm what you guys are saying is really interesting. I have a question for <strong>Sakky</strong> though, [anyone else who seems to know what theyre talking about is more than welcome also], when you mean schools that are "easier" to stick out in would that be like University of Florida or University of Miami. These two seem to pride themselves and be praised upon heavily for having very strong medical preperations for undergrad and very strong medical schools as well. Yet the general student body seem to be "subpar" so it would technically be easier for a "motivated/diligent" student to stick out. So would you say an undergraduate from UM or UF with a 3.9+ and 33+ MCAT have even a decent shot at an HYPS...etc kinda medical school? I may be attending one of these after being really upset at some ivy decisions and financial stuff so part of me just want to like ball everyone up and kick some ass :)</p>
<p>Any undergraduate from anywhere with a 3.9+ and a 33+ MCAT would have a shot at ... well, anywhere.</p>
<p>Key phrase being "a shot", and a fairly reasonable one. As with all premeds, you would still need extracurriculars, essays, and interviewing skills, of course.</p>
<p>so sakky, I am trying to decide between rice and ucsd for premed. By your logic, rice should win hands down because its more inflated than ucsd.</p>
<p>yes but im sure people from like JHU and WUSTL, Dartmouth...etc ivies have this too. how would a student from like UM or UF outshine these kids from big boy schools is my main concern.</p>