<p>"do you realize how stupid you sound right now?"-Quakerman</p>
<p>I really don't think I am the one sounding stupid. If you havent realised your argument is deeply flawed. Okay how about this. I will ask one of the chief risk officers at Goldman or Morgan (I cant say which for confidentiality) and see whether Northwestern kids are recruited or not. I'll post here in a few days. We will will get the word straight from people who matter.</p>
<p>double post.</p>
<p>4 yrs from now you'll look back on what you've said and laugh at your immaturity</p>
<p>4 years from now I will be 12.5 % close to retiring due to my forex automatically trading engine I developed. :) If thats not the case I will fall back to my "safety position" at the trading desk of Morgan or Refco.</p>
<p>Do you actually believe what you are saying? A entry level trading position at MS, which isn't exactly easy to get, won't pay you that much. You are sounding really ignorant</p>
<p>Quakerman, you said:
1 important point: you can major in econ at Stern or Wharton.</p>
<p>The Econ degree at Wharton is only a degree in name. Its really a business degree. Here is the link to Whartons Curriculum Worksheet:</p>
<p>The chance for outside study is very weak as it very heavily focused on Business with broad outside structure. Northwestern is appealing to me because it seems very possible to double or triple major in a liberal arts field, an opportunity that seems very hard to pull off at Wharton. Now before you jump on my back, I have nothing against Wharton and actually think Whartons curriculum is amazing. This may seem contradictory to what Im saying but I am merely arguing against your point of view that you can major in econ at Wharton. You may be able to major in econ but you will lose out on various other general liberal arts studies in the process. Back to Wharton, yes the curriculum is amazing and I would choose Wharton over any school in a heartbeat because of what they offer students in the business world. However I am do not think I am applying to Wharton as it may be a large reach for me and I would like to take my chances elsewhere.</p>
<p>The Stern Degree on the other hand is a little harder to argue for, as their site is vague. Stern offers the following majors:</p>
<p>Now you may argue yes they have an econ degree if that is what Im looking for. But what Im looking for is IB with potential for various graduate studies. I believe if I were to attend Stern, I would be compelled to take Finance, as it is their forte and would put me in a great position to IB at a large multinational IB. You could truly major in ECON at Stern but imo, I would have to capitalize on the Finance Major and you would probably agree with me.</p>
<p>MaNy Stern students major in econ. You get all the advatnages of the Stern name plus it prepares you for law school with the econ major. You take the same classes as the NYU CAS econ majors plus can take Stern curriculum</p>
<p>You guys post too fast for me so when I post my next argument against what quakerman has already stated, I hope it's not too outdated lol</p>
<p>"A entry level trading position at MS, which isn't exactly easy to get, won't pay you that much."</p>
<p>You have lost every credibility you had after that particular quote. Let me run you the details of a first year starting position. Yes the first year you do not earn much....in BASE. The base usually falls around 55K, sign in 5K this is definately in line with the corporate finance people. After that its all about the bonus. In trading you dont have any hierarchy, you become a trader for a desk and its all determined by your P/L. </p>
<p>And yes I am deadly serious about my engine.</p>
<p>"You get all the advatnages of the Stern name plus it prepares you for law school with the econ major. "</p>
<p>What in jesus christ's name are you talking about? Who here is talking about going to law school?</p>
<p>Holy crap I never noticed drop5 is Matt! Why arent you on AIM man?</p>
<p>stupid, entry level traders don't do anyhting. you won't be out there actively trading. you are so stupid, you are in for a real shocker in college.</p>
<p>Quakerman, you said:
1 important point: you can major in econ at Stern or Wharton. So, you get all the benfits of the econ major at NU plus you can take business courses, which you cannot at NU. Also, the business courses take up about 1.5-2yrs, so you essentially have 2 yrs or so for liberal arts courses and to minor in the liberal arts. So basically with the business education you can pursue many liberal arts courses and even minors, but not the other way around. Keep this all in mind.</p>
<p>***So, you get all the benfits of the econ major at NU plus you can take business courses, which you cannot at NU.????????????</p>
<p>Who said you cant get the benefits of business courses at NU? I suggest you do your research as both myself and Mahras have been doing with links and factual analysis. </p>
<p>NUs Business Institution Program
<a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/bip/%5B/url%5D">http://www.northwestern.edu/bip/</a></p>
<p>at the bottom of that link they say:
The Business Institutions Program is grateful for the support provided by Harvey Kapnick, Robert P. Saltzman, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Telephone and Data Systems, Inc. and Household Finance Corporation.</p>
<p>I believe that automatically refutes your statement of NU not being a hunting ground for Ibs and wait whats this? Goldman Sachs is on that list too.</p>
<p>Here is another link if you are not convinced:
<a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/cfs/%5B/url%5D">http://www.northwestern.edu/cfs/</a></p>
<p>Another link which may sway you, albeit it is not a business program,
<a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/ulp/%5B/url%5D">http://www.northwestern.edu/ulp/</a></p>
<p>Also here are a bunch of courses I took directly off NUs undergrad page:</p>
<p>Accounting and Finance
Economics 260: Accounting and Business Finance
Economics 308: Money and Banking
Economics 309: Public Finance
Economics 360: Corporate Finance
Economics 362: International Finance
Industrial Engineering 326: Economics for Engineers
Industrial Engineering 373: Financial Engineering I
Mathematics 301-1,2: Mathematical Models of Finance</p>
<p>Advertising
Journalism IMC 303: Advertising
Journalism IMC 304: Direct Marketing</p>
<p>Business Organizational Studies
Sociology 215: Economics and Society
Sociology 302: Sociology of Organizations
Sociology 331: Markets, Hierarchies, and Democracies
Learning and Organizational Change 211: Introduction to Organization Theory and Practice
Learning and Organizational Change 306: Studies in Organizational Change
History 375-1,2: Technology: History, Society, and Economy
Economics 250: Business and Government
Industrial Engineering 325: Engineering Entrepreneurship</p>
<p>Communications and Negotiation
Communications 205: Theories of Persuasion
Communications 220: Theories of Argumentation
Communications 260: Theories of Organizational Communications
Communications 363: Bargaining and Negotiating
Communications 364: Collective Decision Making and Communication in Organization</p>
<p>International Studies
Economics 322: History of the Global Economy
Economics 361: International Trade
Economics 362: International Finance
Political Science 240: Introduction to International Relations
Political Science 340: Global Society
Political Science 342: International Organizations
Political Science 372: Politics of Global Economy
History 319-1,2,3: History of American Foreign Relations
Language classes</p>
<p>Management
Economics 202: Introduction to Microeconomics
Economics 310-1: Intermediate Economics
Economics 339: Labor Economics
Economics 349: Industrial Economics
Industrial Engineering 324-1,2: Engineering Management</p>
<p>Marketing
Business Institutions 239: Marketing Management
Communications Studies 385: Mass Media Economics</p>
<p>Ill also repost the survey I had originally posted before:
<a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/careers/Graduation_Survey/2003%20Graduation%20Survey--Undergrad%20student%20responses.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.northwestern.edu/careers/Graduation_Survey/2003%20Graduation%20Survey--Undergrad%20student%20responses.pdf</a></p>
<p>Is that enough for you?</p>
<p>LOL bobby:
"You get all the advatnages of the Stern name plus it prepares you for law school with the econ major. "</p>
<p>What in jesus christ's name are you talking about? Who here is talking about going to law school?</p>
<p>I think he was referring to me when I said I was looking into Law School. That is why I said Stern is a little harder to argue for.</p>
<p>Who in the world said first year traders actually make trades? You make the bonus based on your group's profit level. Please man dont sink below whatever level you are at now.</p>
<p>too bad you won't be getting a degree in business at nu,. thats the pooint</p>
<p>That was really childish. Are you really a college grad? and from stern? I would really have to reconsider ever even considering stern now if your actions are indicative of the average stern student.</p>
<p>edit-</p>
<p>I'm sorry, I retract that statement. You said too bad we won't be getting a BUSINESS degree at NU. I thought you meant we weren't getting a degree at NU period. My apologies. And yes you are right but you of all people should know that a business degree is not necessary for the types of opportunities we are talking about.</p>
<p>chill, you are getting it the wrong way. I meant you can take those classes but you don't get the actual business degree. I didn't go to Stern and I think NU is great. This other guy is talking really big for a 17 yr old. i'm just telling you what i've noticed based on experience.</p>
<p>Sorry if you think I'm getting it the wrong way. Your comments seem to be very aggressive and condescending, I guess my comments do so too. Either way I value your opinion and I think these past couple of posts are very informative for the potential HS business/econ student</p>
<p>No, I'm being honest. I can tell you know what you want and are headed on the right path. I'm giving you good, honest advice. The other is talking out of his asss and is in for a real surprise in college. Good luck to you and make the best of your education.</p>