Big Ten expansion...again???

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<p>No Wis75, in the modern era as in today the idea of a conference is to maximize revenue for the schools in it. And the most rapidly growing piece of that is TV revenues. Payouts per school per year are now going over $20 million. So to get that you need eyeballs and you go where the most eyeballs live. That still is the northeast/mid atlantic which also happens to lack a dominant league so it is still up for grabs. </p>

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<p>Tom, I disagree, for the most part.</p>

<p>Certainly the iceberg of Penn State preference and affection is melting somewhat in Mid-Atlantic homes south and east of Philadelphia. But that’s still a fairly huge mountain to overcome for PSU’s rivals, particularly when it comes to Rutgers. Yes, Rutgers has been able to sign a top recruit or two, like the recent star QB from NJ. But it’s still quite hard for Rutgers to stand toe-to-toe with Penn State. And some of the miscues by the Rutgers administration doesn’t help; eliminating very popular non scholarship sports, bull-rushing into to a dicey new stadium construction plan without being able to pay for it, and the very high salary of the new university president, just to name a few examples.</p>

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<p>LW:</p>

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<p>See this thread. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/336760-defying-rutgers-lawmakers-try-save-6-teams.html?highlight=rutgers+sports+tsdad[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/336760-defying-rutgers-lawmakers-try-save-6-teams.html?highlight=rutgers+sports+tsdad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>As far as I know Rutgers has an outgoing University president but no new one as of yet. I think you mean his salary as a professor?</p>

<p>BTW, I do expect the salary of McCormick’s replacement to be high considering the competition from other Universities to replace their Chancellors/Presidents. [UW-Madison</a> search: Chancellor vacancies aplenty at other schools](<a href=“http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/university/article_5a2d09f8-c5c9-11e0-bbd4-001cc4c002e0.html]UW-Madison”>UW-Madison search: Chancellor vacancies aplenty at other schools)</p>

<p>As for competing with Penn State, the qb you mentioned was only a three stars, and he is from Pennsylvania. Rutgers has a verbal from the third ranked player, an offensive lineman, in Pennsylvania, Chris Mueller, rated four stars by rivals. Obviously Penn State is hardly scared but the two school will begin playing each other in a few years so we will see. [Rivals.com</a> Pennsylvania’s Top 30 CBS Pittsburgh](<a href=“http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/07/19/rivals-com-pennsylvanias-top-30/]Rivals.com”>Rivals.com Pennsylvania's Top 30 - CBS Pittsburgh) and [Chris</a> Muller - Yahoo! Sports](<a href=“http://rivals.yahoo.com/rutgers/football/recruiting/player-Chris-Muller-114215]Chris”>http://rivals.yahoo.com/rutgers/football/recruiting/player-Chris-Muller-114215).</p>

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<p>Really? So far there’s only 1 NJ kid in Penn State’s 2012 recruiting class, listed as a 3-star DT on rivals.com. Rutgers has 8 NJ commits, including a 4-star WR. Rutgers also has 4 commits out of PA, including a 4-star OL ranked as the #3 prospect in the state of Pennsylvania. </p>

<p>Looking at the rivals.com top 30 NJ prospects for the 2012 class, Rutgers has commitments from 7 of the 18 who have committed so far. Boston College has 2, Penn State has 1—same as South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida State, Virginia, West Virginia, Purdue, Minnesota, and Temple. I don’t know how many of those Rutgers commits also had offers from Penn State but it looks like Joe Pa is either not looking at NJ, not liking what he sees, or is losing the recruiting battles. These numbers hardly suggest that Penn State “owns” NJ for recruiting purposes.</p>

<p>Joe Pa did a little better in NJ for his 2011 class, with 3 NJ recruits including a 4-star athlete. But Rutgers did even better, with 13 NJ recruits including 3 listed by rivals as 4-stars. In 2010, Penn State successfully recruited only 1 kid out of NJ, a 3-star TE, while Rutgers landed 9. So whatever the history once may have been, Rutgers is now spanking Penn State in NJ recruiting.</p>

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<p>What?! The NY/NJ media market is the biggest in the country. The Big Ten makes a ton of money off television, somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 million/school/year, much of it coming from advertising revenue and programming fees paid to the Big Ten Network by cable and satellite TV providers. My understanding is that in the NY-NJ market you can currently get BTN only on sports-tier subscription services, not on the expanded basic service which has a lot more viewers and therefore represents a lot more money. And in some parts of the NY/NJ metro area, including Manhattan, you can’t get BTN at all. They’re on expanded basic in all their core markets which includes Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and I believe now St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Omaha. NY/NJ is the next big contiguous market to crack. The Big Ten would be crazy not to want that. The only question is whether Rutgers (or, Rutgers plus all the Penn State, Michigan, and other Big Ten alums in and around NYC) represents enough of a football fan base in NY/NJ to get the cable providers to pop for the kind of money they’d have to pay to carry BTN.</p>

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<p>LakeWashington- the star QB Rutgers signed was from Pennsylvania his name was Tom Savage. He has since transferred. He lost his starting job to a QB from South Carolina named Chas Dodd. RU did sign a kid from Don Bosco named Gary Nova that was highly recruited but the star of the class was a running back from St Peters named Savon Huggins. RU beat out North Carolina and Notre Dame to get him. He also had offers from Penn St as well as almost every other major program.
If you look at the last 3 recruiting classes Rutgers is getting as many kids from Pennsylvania as Penn St gets from NJ. Now RU still loses top recruits but they are in the running with most every kid they target. Some kids based on certain factors the coach shies away from.</p>

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<p>Well, it looks like I must stand corrected on some of the recruiting facts. However, Bcintonk, I think you misunderstood me. My point about the attractiveness of the metro NY/NY market to the Big Ten is that there are already numerous alumni of Big Ten schools in that market, as well as folks whom just enjoy watching B10 sports. There must be a reason why the Saturday regular network football (usually ABC TV) broadcast in the NYC market is often a B10 game. Not every weekend of course, but many many weekends during the football season. And that’s not even counting the cable broadcast of regional games featuring B10 teams. You can’t say that about the Pac-10, and I’m a big Pac-10 fan.</p>

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<p>Pac-12…</p>

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<p>For reasons I do not totally understand, some station on Charter cable often broadcasts a number of USC games here in Madison. They usually come on late Saturday night. Even less understandable is the number of Pac-12 volleyball competitions we seem to get. </p>

<p>As a parent of a USC grad, I do like to watch the USC games even if the son had no interest in them.</p>

<p>As I have said before about Rutgers and the B-10: Please; Please; Please.</p>

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<p>No doubt, but I think the Big Ten Network (BTN) is driving the Big Ten’s thinking about its future right now. Their broadcast network TV rights are big but not growing. ESPN adds a little, but basically operates like the national broadcast networks. BTN is a goldmine because the cable and satellite operators pay per customer to carry it. BTN is a rapidly expanding source of revenue. They had a hard fight to move from optional sports tiers and get on expanded basic cable/satellite service in their core markets, but having gotten there, they’re making money hand over fist. The next challenge is to expand the markets where they’re on expanded basic, and the NY/NJ market is the grand prize. Broadcast network TV is a nice contract but it has no expansion potential; it’s got a large but declining market share.</p>

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<p>Perhaps the University of Chicago could always reclaim its place in the Big 10 and resume its historical domination (only team to be undefeated against Notre Dame).</p>

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<p>idad, I personally feel that the Big 10 and Chicago should discuss its re-entry into the conference. They are already connected academically via the CIC, and I think Chicago would benefit a great deal from Division I Athletics.</p>

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<p>You just want them to take back their spot from MSU! :)</p>

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<p>I guess the Upper Midwest should be flattered that everybody wants to join us… we must have something better than elsewhere…</p>

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<p>Wis 75:</p>

<p>Money; money, money, academic status; money; money; money. HOWEVER, the Big East has declined the recent offer from ESPN and may be in line for a very big payday. We’ll see.</p>