<p>I love how this has become a sports fan discussion, such as with a couple or five beers under the belt, sitting in the stands about who is best. No possible offense taken, among most of us. Part of the enjoyment of the contest.</p>
<p>xiggi, I believe Big Ten and ACC Peer Assessment scores average higher than the Pac-10s. Maybe my support for PA will be waning… ;)</p>
<p>While NU brings down the B10 academic averages it certainly boosts football and TV ratings. It’s all about balance. The PAC 10 is very good at the top but has a weak bottom half–in academics. I’m working on getting those admit data right now. But I can say we have a hot new admissions director from U Chicago which improved its admissions and I already see changes coming. More marketing all over the US. UW has much to sell, they just need to get out the word better. Marketing was never a strong point.</p>
<p>^yeah well it doesn’t matter because the ACC is the best :)</p>
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<p>If I got the schools right, here are the admit rates for the Class of 2013 (what you will see in the next USNews) and the rankings of last year’s USNews. I added NU and added them up to compute an average admit rate for the conference.</p>
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<h1>2010 Applied Admit Rate Enrol Yield School</h1>
<p>39 26,057 17,053 65% 6,984 41% University of IllinoisUrbana - Champaign
71 33,011 23,975 73% 7,150 30% Indiana University Bloomington
71 15,060 12,503 83% 4,063 32% The University of Iowa
27 29,965 14,970 50% 6,079 41% University of MichiganAnn Arbor
71 25,349 18,383 73% 7,416 40% Michigan State University
61 33,910 16,960 50% 5,400 32% University of Minnesota
96 9,455 5,943 63% 3,986 67% University of NebraskaLincoln
12 25,013 6,552 26% 2,078 32% Northwestern University(IL)
53 18,256 13,822 76% 6,739 49% The Ohio State University
47 40,714 21,017 52% 6,560 31% Pennsylvania State University
61 27,213 19,905 73% 6,042 30% Purdue University
39 24,855 14,228 57% 5,680 40% University of WisconsinMadison
Total 308,858 185,311 60% 68,177 37% Total
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<p>And, fwiw, this is the same exercise for the Pac 10</p>
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2010 Applied Admit Rate Enrol Yield School
121 28,304 25,616 91% 9,344 36% Arizona State University
THIRD 10,048 8,303 83% 3,436 41% Oregon State University
4 30,429 2,426 8% 1,692 70% Stanford University(CA)
102 24,625 19,207 78% 6,966 36% The University of Arizona
21 48,650 10,561 22% NA NA University of CaliforniaBerkeley
24 55,708 12,179 22% 4,472 37% University of CaliforniaLos Angeles
77 19,649 16,514 84% 5,555 34% University of Colorado at Boulder
115 16,870 13,367 79% 3,839 29% University of Oregon
26 35,753 8,724 24% 2,869 33% University of Southern California
42 21,268 12,264 58% 6,184 50% University of Washington
106 12,478 9,489 76% 3,668 39% Washington State University
Total 303,782 138,650 46% Total
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<p>xiggi, I will bite. Academically, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, UIUC and Wisconsin will match any 5 university in any athletic conference other than the Ivy League.</p>
<p>EXCLUSIVE: Pac-10 to Add Utah
June 15, 2010</p>
<p>CSNBayArea.com staff</p>
<p>The Pacific-10 Conference will extend an invitation to the University of Utah to become the league’s 12th team, Comcast SportsNet has learned exclusively from sources close to the situation.</p>
<p>A press conference is expected to formalize the announcement on Wednesday.</p>
<p>Utah is currently a member of the Mountain West Conference. The Utes went 10-3 overall and 6-2 in conference last season and went on to beat Cal in the Poinsettia Bowl 37-27.</p>
<p>49ers quarterback Alex Smith starred at the University of Utah before San Francisco drafted him No. 1 overall in 2005.</p>
<p>The college football landscape has been shifting dramatically, with Colorado leaving the Big 12 to join the Pac-10 last week. There had been speculation that Big 12 powerhouse Texas would follow Colorado to the Pac-10 but the Longhorns officially announced Tuesday they would not be making the move.</p>
<p>The last time the Pac-10 added two new members was 1978, when Arizona and Arizona state joined the conference.</p>
<p>Back in February Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott announced that the conference was looking into expansion. Scott received official approval from Pac-10 university presidents and chancellors to explore adding new teams on June 6.</p>
<p>Link: [EXCLUSIVE:</a> Pac-10 to Add Utah](<a href=“http://www.csnbayarea.com/06/15/10/FONT-COLORFF0000EXCLUSIVEfont-Pac-10-to-/landing.html?blockID=254335]EXCLUSIVE:”>http://www.csnbayarea.com/06/15/10/FONT-COLORFF0000EXCLUSIVEfont-Pac-10-to-/landing.html?blockID=254335)</p>
<p>Haha, Alexandre, you do NOT get Chicago. Although a founding member, Chicago dropped out in 1946 and only maintains an affiliation through the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. We can’t keep going back to the days of the Leatherheads. ;)</p>
<p>If you wanna play with the other four, namely Michigan, Northwestern, UIUC and Wisconsin, you can simply take a look at the tables I posted earlier for the Pac 10.</p>
<p>4 30,429 2,426 8% 1,692 70% Stanford University(CA)
21 48,650 10,561 22% NA NA University of California—Berkeley
24 55,708 12,179 22% 4,472 37% University of California—Los Angeles
26 35,753 8,724 24% 2,869 33% University of Southern California</p>
<p>12 25,013 6,552 26% 2,078 32% Northwestern University(IL)
27 29,965 14,970 50% 6,079 41% University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
39 26,057 17,053 65% 6,984 41% University of Illinois—Urbana - Champaign
39 24,855 14,228 57% 5,680 40% University of Wisconsin—Madison</p>
<p>For your fifth school, do you take
53 18,256 13,822 76% 6,739 49% The Ohio State University
or
47 40,714 21,017 52% 6,560 31% Pennsylvania State University
against the Pac 10
42 21,268 12,264 58% 6,184 50% University of Washington</p>
<p>PS Please, please take OSU! I’d love to see you and Hawkette on the same team while I am getting support from none other than UCB. An epic battle!</p>
<p>xiggi, what do those stats represent? I am not sure how they are a reflection of academics. Are we talking about institutional quality and academic excellence or about acceptance rates and yield rates? </p>
<p>And Chicago stays, since their involved in Big 10 academics is as strong as ever.</p>
<p>^^53 18,256 13,822 76% 6,739 49% The Ohio State University</p>
<p>Can’t speak for other schools, but I believe your data is off… 76% acceptance for tOSU?? lol I do not recall the exact %, but it was ~58 to 62% 2 years ago!! It has gotten increasingly more difficult to get into tOSU over the years.</p>
<p>Also, for 2014, applicants to tOSU soared ~30%!!</p>
<p>Go Bucks!</p>
<p>Link: <a href=“http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html[/url]”>http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html</a></p>
<p>The 2007 freshman class had an acceptance rate of 52%, and the enrolled freshman class had the following composition: students graduating in the top 10% of their high school class (57%); the top 25% of their high school class (91%); the top 50% of their high school class (99%). 27% of the freshman class scored in the top 3% of the SAT or ACT, while 72% scored in the top 15%. The middle 50% range of ACT scores for the enrolled class was 26-30, with an average ACT score of 27. Of the 6,122 members of the 2006 freshman class, 290 had been named valedictorian of their high school’s graduating class.</p>
<p>Well, sorry I did have to round the 75.71% up to 76%. :)</p>
<p>But you can check my math. My Number 2 pencil is not as sharp as it used to be.</p>
<p>Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men who applied 9,451
Total first-time, first-year (freshman) women who applied 8,805</p>
<p>Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men who were admitted 7,080
Total first-time, first-year (freshman) women who were admitted 6,742</p>
<p>PS Source: <a href=“http://oaa.osu.edu/irp/publisher_surveys/2010ColumbusCDS.pdf[/url]”>http://oaa.osu.edu/irp/publisher_surveys/2010ColumbusCDS.pdf</a></p>
<p>^^ Unlike the Cali system, you have to apply each Big Ten school seperately for admission. Also, Big Ten applicants/schools tend to focus on ACT more so than the SAT. Bed time…Zz.ZZ.zz</p>
<p>Alexandre, read the post 539 and Barrons’ effort to get the admit rate data. I was just helping him getting them … not really trying to get into another debate about academics. Next thing we know, we will be adding PA scores of all the schools! </p>
<p>Since you swear by the PA scores, here’s your tally for the four schools:</p>
<p>Pac 10 = 17.7 or 4.425 average
Big 10 = 16.8 or 4.2 average</p>
<p>For five schools, it is 21.5 versus 20.6. </p>
<p>Even with adding Chicago, the Pac 10 still edges the Big 10.</p>
<p>Anyway, have fun trying to convince anyone in this football thread that Chicago is a bona fide representative of the Big 10. By the way, how much did they get from the conferemce revenues that are shared equally?</p>
<p>Stanford > Northwestern
Berkeley > Michigan
USC < UIUC
UCLA < Wisconsin</p>
<p>Yeah, that looks right to me.</p>
<p>xiggi, PA averages are much fairer indicator of academic excellence. As you point out, without Chicago and USC, the average PA of the top 4 universities in both conference is 4.425 (Pac 10) vs 4.200 (Big 10). If you include Chicago and USC to the equation, the average PA would be 4.300 (Pac 10) vs 4.280 (Big 10). </p>
<p>Either way, we are talking about elite universities. </p>
<p>Like I said in post 547, academically, I think the Big 10 matches the Pac 10 and ACC nicely.</p>
<p>^Back to the topic at hand, the actual messing around of the conferences.
It’d be nice if we could pull Utah into the Pac-10, but it’s too bad there’s not another candidate in Colorado: one of the beauties of our system is that every team has a built-in rival. ASU-UA, Stanford-Cal, USC-UCLA, OSU-UOregon, UWash-WSU. Unfortunately, Colorado is a bit further east than most, but given time I suspect they can become good, strong rivals with Utah. And a championship game should help increase the Pac-10’s overall quality.</p>
<p>USC < UIUC
UCLA < Wisconsin</p>
<p>LOLZ!</p>
<p>Not really wanting to nitpick, but the only match possible between the Pac 10 and the Big 10 is somewhere in the middle. There is no real match between the most selective schools of the Pac 10 and the Big 10. Michigan, Northwestern, UIUC and Wisconsin are no match for the top 4 schools of the Pac 10. And for very good reasons, there is no match possible for Stanford, and Berkeley is the best public school in the country by a fair margin. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the bottom 3 or 4 schools at the Big 10 are more competitive than the similar schools of the Pac 10. </p>
<p>But if you want to call that a match, be my guest! :)</p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with your logic xiggi. Then again, I am fairly certain you don’t care much for my logic either. At any rate, Stanford has a slight edge over Cal, Cal a slight edge over Michigan and Northwestern and Michigan and Northwestern a slight edge over UCLA, UIUC and Wisconsin. Overall, I would give the top 2 Pac 10 schools an edge over the top 2 Big 10 schools, but beyond the top 2, the conferences are pretty even. Overall, I don’t see a difference in overall academic quality between the Big 10 and the Pac 10.</p>