Big Ten expansion moves ahead

<p>Sorry for the erreur. :eek: Haha. I was copying from alex’s post when he tried to sneak U Chicago in with the Big Ten and I got the scores wrong.</p>

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<p>My humblest apologies. </p>

<p>When U Chicago plays U Michigan in football, then I’ll accept such linkage. Until then, not a chance.</p>

<p>Msauce,
Help me understand what the academics and the conference mean. As I read the AAU statement, the focus was very heavily weighted to research and graduate studies. But I have a hard time understanding how any of this is relevant. What difference does it make in terms of athletics and what difference does it make to undergrads?</p>

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MSauce was talking about the CIC, not the AAU.</p>

<p>“I fail to see how the Pac-10 can even hold a candle to the Big Ten academically without something like the Committee on Institutional Cooperation.”</p>

<p>Burning Man is sort of a west coast version of the CIC.</p>

<p>Could you explain Burning Man or show a link? When I search it all that comes up is an art event.</p>

<p>Michigan vs. Chicago, circa 1904…</p>

<p>[Michigan</a> Stadium – 1904 Chicago Game, University of Michigan Athletics](<a href=“http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/fbchi04.htm]Michigan”>http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/fbchi04.htm)</p>

<pre><code>I can without reservation rec the more recent film “Harvard Beats Yale, 29-29”, available for streaming at the mail-in DVD company we all know.
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<p>Yeah…you got the right Burning Man…lots of people on drugs taking themselves too seriously…doesn’t that sum up the Pac 10?</p>

<p>[Big</a> Ten newbie has work ahead - Omaha.com](<a href=“http://www.omaha.com/article/20100620/NEWS01/706209899/0]Big”>http://www.omaha.com/article/20100620/NEWS01/706209899/0)</p>

<p>Thanks for the link to the Omaha World-Herald piece, Sparkeye. Interesting that UNL officials are looking to expansion of the student body as a strategy for expanding financial resources. They need to be careful here: they already have the highest student-faculty ratio in the Big Ten, and the smallest faculty. If they expand their student body they’ll need to expand their faculty by equal proportions just to stand still on academic quality, and that’s not cheap. If they want to improve academic quality they’ll need to expand the faculty faster than they expand the student body, and that doesn’t sound like a net revenue-gaining strategy to me.</p>

<p>^^^^^^^^^^^^^</p>

<p>Correct. </p>

<p>Sparkeye7,</p>

<p>Thanks for the article link. It was interesting reading. </p>

<p>Certainly, improved academic excellence could lead to raising tuition still perceived as a bargain as well as more out-of-state students making for improved revenue. Right now quite a few Nebraska kids go off to Missouri or Colorado. Getting more of them to stay home could add some revenue. Happy alums with the Big 10 situation could easily create some faculty chairs (and the like) to get that jump-started so it’s not a chicken or egg situation. The next 10 years at Nebraska could be a very interesting time for the school’s development.</p>

<p>They can expand some areas and make money while expensive to offer/staff majors in sciences, engineering, etc will lose money until they can ramp up research funding.</p>

<p>Division</p>

<p>[Prospective</a> divisions for expanded Big Ten, Pac-10 come 2011 - Stewart Mandel - SI.com](<a href=“http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/06/22/expansion-divisions/]Prospective”>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/06/22/expansion-divisions/)</p>

<p>Rivalry</p>

<p>[Who</a> Will Be University of Nebraska’s Biggest Big Ten Football Rival? | Bleacher Report](<a href=“http://bleacherreport.com/articles/409778-who-will-be-nebraskas-biggest-big-ten-football-rival]Who”>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/409778-who-will-be-nebraskas-biggest-big-ten-football-rival)</p>

<p>Now that the dusts had settled, rumor has Nebraka planning to expand its stadium capacity from the original proposal of 90+ prior to joining the Big Ten to ~100,000 in the next few years as its biggest intended rival should be that of the Nittany Lion/Beaver Stadium.</p>

<p>*Nebraska Memorial Stadium - currrent capacity (~85,000)</p>

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<p>Go Big Red!! Welcome to the Big Ten!!! lol~</p>

<p>Also, in terms of academics, UNL might move up a few spots based on the up-and-coming 2011 USNWR Best Colleges new methodology imho. Even though this data was released back in Jan of '09, still, guess who’s at #3 for yield?! lol</p>

<p>[Most</a> Popular Colleges: National Universities - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/01/26/most-popular-colleges-national-universities.html?PageNr=1]Most”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/01/26/most-popular-colleges-national-universities.html?PageNr=1)</p>

<p>[Tressel</a> Thinks Big Ten Will Get Larger | WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio News](<a href=“http://www.10tv.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/06/22/story-big-ten-conference-expansion-tressel.html?sid=102]Tressel”>http://www.10tv.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/06/22/story-big-ten-conference-expansion-tressel.html?sid=102)</p>

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<p>BIG 20
THE Only American Conference
Red, White, and Blue
From Maine to Washington!</p>

<p>Thanks for that one, Xiggi. I fell out of the chair laughing. That’s where we are headed.</p>

<p>you may click on the photos to enlarge the size! :)</p>

<p>[The</a> Official History of the Winged Helmet](<a href=“http://www.spartanjerseys.com/michigan-state-football-jerseys/the-official-history-of-the-winged-helmet.html]The”>Winged Helmet - The Complete History (1930 - Present))</p>

<p>Go Izzo!! Go Dantonio!! GO SPARTANS!!! lol~</p>

<p>P.S. It’s my #300 post, just like the movie ‘300’ ;p</p>

<p>Top QB recruit picks Nebraska over Notre Dame</p>

<p>June 20, 2010 12:01 PM
By Brian Hamilton</p>

<p>Brian Kelly’s quarterback of the distant future apparently will not be Bubba-licious.</p>

<p>Two-sport standout Bubba Starling of Gardner, Kan., committed to Nebraska on Saturday, according to the Kansas City Star. And that means Notre Dame missed out on its top quarterback target for the Class of 2011 recruiting haul – and one that had seemed a heavy lean to the Irish.</p>

<p>Starling – who also could be a high pick in the 2011 baseball draft – was seen as an ideal fit for Kelly’s spread offense, after rushing for 1,381 yards and rushing for 1,433 and combining for 37 touchdowns in his junior year.</p>

<p>“This relieves all that pressure and stress,” Starling told the Star from Lincoln, Neb., where he was on a visit. “There was a lot of stuff going on, and my family had to put up with all that travel. I’m really excited finally to have picked a college I love. Now, I can leave all that behind me and concentrate on my senior season.”</p>

<p>Source: [Top</a> QB recruit picks Nebraska over Notre Dame - Chicago Breaking Sports](<a href=“Chicago Sports News, Schedules & Scores - Chicago Tribune”>Chicago Sports News, Schedules & Scores - Chicago Tribune)</p>

<p>[Ivy</a> League expansion would awaken sleeping media colossus. - Page 2 - ESPN](<a href=“ESPN Music- ESPN”>Ivy League expansion would awaken sleeping media colossus. - Page 2 - ESPN)</p>

<p>^didn’t Caltech’s basketball team have a ridiculous losing streak? (like 200+ games if i remember correctly)</p>

<p>For Nebraska, Big Ten Will Be An Academic Game-Changer, Penn Staters Say </p>

<p>June 18, 2010 11:03 AM
by Adam Smeltz</p>

<p>Twenty years since Penn State joined the Big Ten, Jack Selzer still recalls the move as a euphoric moment for the university faculty.</p>

<p>“It really indicated that Penn State had its sights set on a different level academically,” said Selzer, an English professor and former associate dean in the College of the Liberal Arts. </p>

<p>Almost immediately, Selzer said, the university’s group of contemporaries changed. No longer did Penn State see itself as an eastern public university. "All of a sudden, our peer schools were universities that consider themselves the best public institutions in the land. …</p>

<p>“It made us much more of a national university rather than a regional university,” Selzer said. “Our student body changed very quickly,” roughly doubling its proportion of out-of-state students within 20 years.</p>

<p>Now that the University of Nebraska has become the 12th member of the Big Ten this spring, a variety of influential Penn Staters said they are waiting to see whether the Cornhuskers follow an academic trajectory similar to the Nittany Lions’.</p>

<p>University President Graham Spanier aired enthusiasm about the addition.</p>

<p>“I think Nebraska is a great fit for the Big Ten,” Spanier wrote in an e-mail message. He served as chancellor at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln before being named Penn State president about 15 years ago. </p>

<p>Spanier noted that Nebraska maintains “exceptionally high graduation and retention rates” in its athletic programs. Nine Nebraska teams have maintained Graduation Success Rates higher than the Big Ten average of 82 percent, according to data from the university.</p>

<p>And academically, Spanier wrote, Nebraska fits “the profile of a large, nationally respected, (Association of American Universities-member) university with a commitment to excellence.”</p>

<p>The AAU is a group of 63 top research universities in North America. Nebraska has been a member since 1909.</p>

<p>“They are similar in so many ways to other Big Ten schools,” Spanier went on. He wrote that he foresees no special challenges in integrating Nebraska into Big Ten athletics or into the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, the academic-collaboration arm of the conference.</p>

<p>In fact, Spanier noted, academics were among the reasons Nebraska sought to join the Big Ten. Nebraska ranks 96th on the current U.S. News and World Report list of the country’s best national universities, as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported this week.</p>

<p>All of the other Big Ten schools rank more than 16 positions higher on that roster. Penn State ranks 47th.</p>

<p>Membership in the Big Ten and the CIC will immediately connect Nebraska with the other universities’ faculties, administrators and students, said CIC Director Barbara McFadden Allen. </p>

<p>She said member universities share substantial resources, such as Penn State’s vast library collections and dramatic supercomputing capabilities being developed at the University of Illinois.</p>

<p>“It just helps you to have a connection with peers who are looking at the same problems you are,” McFadden said. </p>

<p>The CIC is governed by the provosts of Big Ten member universities, including committee Chairman Rodney Erickson. He is the provost and executive vice president at Penn State.</p>

<p>Erickson said membership in the CIC sets high academic benchmarks for a university. Penn State’s academics have improved as a direct result of its CIC affiliation, he said.</p>

<p>Statistics included in the U.S. News rankings may illustrate the point. They show Penn State-University Park graduation rates went from 57 percent in 1990, when the university joined the Big Ten, to 85 percent in 2008. The average University Park freshman’s SAT score is up, too – between 1,100 and 1,300. Before 1990, the average had been just below 1,100.</p>

<p>Erickson said students benefit especially from the Big Ten members’ joint work on curriculum development, research and support functions, such as the creation of higher-speed computer networks and digitized library collections. They’re also collaborating on better study-abroad, leadership-development and joint-purchasing programs, he said. </p>

<p>He said the Big Ten distinguishes itself, and draws so many students, “because we’re comprehensive research universities. That’s what students expect to find here: the latest information coming out from the faculty and their scholarship.”</p>

<p>To that end, several Penn Staters said, it’s important that Nebraska is a well-established member of the AAU. Its academic credentials are vital to maintaining the image and reputation already burnished by the Big Ten, they said.</p>

<p>“I don’t think anyone in a position of authority would say Penn State entered the Big Ten for athletic reasons. But you and I both know that’s why we entered the Big Ten,” said John Nichols, an associate dean in the Penn State College of Communications. </p>

<p>“But we benefited academically,” he added. Nichols, a former chairman of the university Faculty Senate, said he expects Nebraska will follow the trend, “that it will enter primarily for athletic reasons and benefit academically as a result of it.”</p>

<p>Likewise, Penn State Professor R. Scott Kretchmar said that “I think Nebraska has more to gain than the Big Ten does academically.”</p>

<p>Kretchmar, who works in kinesiology and represents the Penn State faculty within the Big Ten, called Nebraska good fit for the conference. </p>

<p>Still, he said Big Ten professors, including the faculty at Penn State, had “very little” input in the conference’s expansion discussions. </p>

<p>“I think it’s partly due to the nature of the negotiations,” Kretchmar said. " … Leaks (of information), I think, could have a highly negative effect during the negotiation process."</p>

<p>Asked whether he is comfortable with how the process unfolded, he said: "I understand the need for confidentiality and a lack of broad public consultation given the nature of the negotiation. </p>

<p>“I guess the best way I could describe it is, it would have been nice if more consultation had occurred,” Kretchmar added. “But I understand the reasons for it having been limited.”</p>

<p>Selzer, for his part, said he’s skeptical about whether Nebraska has the same academic potential that Penn State offered when it joined the Big Ten in 1990.</p>

<p>He said he would welcome the University of Texas, Notre Dame or the University of Virginia to the Big Ten. All maintain top-notch academic reputations, Selzer said.</p>

<p>“Leave athletics out of this,” he said. " … From the faculty’s point of view, a school’s job is to make its diplomas valuable. That’s really what our job is on the academic side. … That’s why we don’t want to water down our league. It would water down our diploma."</p>

<p>Presidents of the current Big Ten universities decide whether to admit a new member. Spanier reported that the conference “will pause at 12 schools for now.”</p>

<p>But the group “will continue to look at the landscape of conference alignments, and we have left open the option of additional expansion in the future,” he wrote.</p>

<p>Link: [State</a> College, PA - For Nebraska, Big Ten Will Be An Academic Game-Changer, Penn Staters Say](<a href=“http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/for-nebraska-big-ten-will-be-an-academic-gamechanger-penn-staters-say-447949/]State”>http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/for-nebraska-big-ten-will-be-an-academic-gamechanger-penn-staters-say-447949/)</p>