Big Ten's absence from CC

College Search & Selection
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<p>Parden me I should’ve been clear - my comment was in response to post #10 - “most people apply to better schools such as NW and UMich.”</p>

<p>As for rfkof, “And Michigan is tops in dozens more departments than Wisconsin” you’re being silly. You must get your information from the UM Marketing Department. I mean come on! I heard that UM was the highest rated University in the UNIVERSE!</p>

<p>NRC Rankings (though getting old, but its’ what’s available) show UM and UW with 38 top ranked programs. Take whaver rankings you wish and compare, but don’t make crap up.</p>

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<p>Anyone knows who usually wins in the wild when a badger meets a wolverine of similar size?</p>

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However, Michigan has a lead in both average of nonzero scores and average of all scores. Not that it really matters, as both schools should have been quite pleased by their performance in the last NRC rankings.</p>

<p>Speaking of which, when can we expect the new ones?

The badger has no chance.</p>

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<p>Sorry to nit-pick, but this list is off IMO. In fact, you can hardly sort the Big 10 by tiers anyways, because there is a clear prestige hiearchy. It goes like this:</p>

<p>Northwestern
Michigan AA
Wisconsin Madison
Illinois UC
Penn State UP
Ohio State
Minnesota TC
Indiana Bloomington
Purdue
Michigan State
Iowa</p>

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<p>^ Minnesota looks underrated to me…</p>

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<p>OHKID, my “ranking” is no different from yours. After the top four (Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin), the rest of the Big 10 schools are similar prestige-wise. I chose to list the schools in alphabetical order. For instance, some kid may realize that Michigan State is a better fit than Penn State because of a specific program and vice versa. However, no one will dispute that the top four Big 10 schools have a better national and international academic reputation. In addition, CC students tend to apply to these four schools because they have larger percentage of OOS students (except Illinois).</p>

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<p>Ah, but recently unearthed correspondence between Jack Kirby and Stan Lee indicate a treasure trove of previously unknown BADGER comics (research done by the UW Madison History Dept no doubt). Evidently BADGER also went through the SUPERSOLDIER program and contains an Adamantium Superior bone structure.</p>

<p>Any meeting in the wild is a toss up!</p>

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<p>Can anyone here actually see [url=<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmericanBadger.JPG]this[/url”>File:AmericanBadger.JPG - Wikipedia]this[/url</a>] surviving a hostile encounter with [url=<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wolverine_on_rock.jpg]this[/url”>File:Wolverine on rock.jpg - Wikipedia]this[/url</a>]?</p>

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<p>^ lol 10 char…</p>

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<p>"As for rfkof, “And Michigan is tops in dozens more departments than Wisconsin” you’re being silly. You must get your information from the UM Marketing Department. I mean come on! I heard that UM was the highest rated University in the UNIVERSE!</p>

<p>NRC Rankings (though getting old, but its’ what’s available) show UM and UW with 38 top ranked programs. Take whatever rankings you wish and compare, but don’t make crap up."</p>

<p>Discipline by discipline, where they can be compared, Michigan is overall rated higher than Wisconsin. Sure there are some majors where Wisconsin is rated higher, I don’t dispute that for a moment, but Michigan is rated higher in the vast majority of them. Just check out USNWR rankings and PA scores. OHIOKID is correct, Northwestern and Michigan are at the top of the ladder in the Big Ten. Then comes Wisky and the Illini. Everyone else is after that. The prestige level of NU is quite a bit higher than UIUC.</p>

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<p>nomination,</p>

<p>They look pretty even if this photo is presented:
[File:Gulo</a> gulo 2.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulo_gulo_2.jpg]File:Gulo”>File:Gulo gulo 2.jpg - Wikipedia) ;)</p>

<p>I’d like a more scientific answer.</p>

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<p>If for example, we are talking about 2 spaces away for Econ - 12(4.2) vs 14 (4.1) - or English - 17(4.3) and 17(4.1) - the two Universities enjoy a greater kinship than many acknowledge.</p>

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<p>We can’t forget the fierce Wildcat - looks like he needs a treat:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.legenca.freeserve.co.uk/wild/wildcat.jpg[/url]”>http://www.legenca.freeserve.co.uk/wild/wildcat.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Some sources:
[Interspecies</a> Conflict: Badger vs. Wolverine, american badger, 22lr](<a href=“http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/1/Badger-vs-Wolverine-1.htm]Interspecies”>http://en.allexperts.com/q/Interspecies-Conflict-3754/2008/1/Badger-vs-Wolverine-1.htm)
[Wolverine</a> vs honey badger - Yahoo! Answers](<a href=“http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/question/index?qid=20080804133628AAYEwp1]Wolverine”>http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/question/index?qid=20080804133628AAYEwp1)</p>

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I think Minnesota, for whatever reason is largely overshadowed by the other big name universities in the Big Ten.</p>

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<p>They should have a wolverine and a badger fight on the 50 yard line one day…</p>

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<p>The difference I was noting was the fact that you put Illinois, Wisconsin (or even Michigan, really) in the same orbit as Northwestern. Although UIUC is great, it cannot legitimately be argued that it is on par with Northwestern. Still, UIUC is easily on par with Penn State, a small step behind Wisconsin-Madison, and easily ahead of Ohio State and Minnesota.</p>

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<p>Minnesota TC is quite possibly the most underrated collegiate institution in this nation, to be honest. I put it below OSU because of the fact that OSU has some really solid programs that Minnesota really doesn’t have a rep for, like Business.</p>

<p>Still, Minnesota’s killer price paired with its awesome programs and location should make it a sloid choice for anyone looking to larger OOS institutions like UCLA, USC, Michigan, Cornell, Northwestern, UNC, UVA, etc. I highly suspect that soon Minnesota will be not only the next “hot” school but also easily boost its selectivity to make a big dent in the front page of USNWR.</p>

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<p>I really think they should have renamed the conference when Penn State joined.</p>

<p>When the Pac 8 added two members, they began calling it the Pac 10. It didn’t take long to get accustomed to the new name. </p>

<p>Does the Big Eleven really sound so strange?</p>

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<p>LOL at this thread. If anything, the Big Ten is probably overrepresented on CC. </p>

<p>U Michigan is the only non-Top 25 college, as ranked by USNWR, on the list of CC Top Universities. Higher-ranked USC is not listed there nor are other colleges that have premier undergraduate offerings (Tufts, Wake Forest, William & Mary, Boston College, NYU, etc.). </p>

<p>And haven’t you noticed how U Michigan partisans regularly take over threads, insisting how prestigious and elite their school is. It’s often great fun to watch their efforts to elevate it to Ivy status while rarely comparing the school to true comps like U Illinois and U Wisconsin or non-Big Ten colleges like UCLA and U North Carolina (not to mention a slew of privates like NYU, Boston College, etc.). LOL-it’s some of the most entertaining reading on CC. Completely self-promoting and often delusional, but still usually entertaining. </p>

<p>Now, if you’re talking about Big Ten colleges that don’t get enough credit on CC, there’s plenty to choose from. U Illinois and U Wisconsin get frequently overlooked/underappreciated, but they’re very good state Us. Same with Penn State and particularly for its Schreyer Honors College. And some schools like Ohio State and U Minnesota have seen their rankings jump in recent years, though their non-Top 50 status consigns them to the CC dustbin. LOL. That’s just the way it is around here. </p>

<p>As for relative prestige, when considered on a national scale, IMO the Big Ten colleges sort like this:</p>

<p>Top Tier: Northwestern</p>

<p>Tier 2: U Illinois, U Michigan, U Wisconsin</p>

<p>Tier 3: Penn State, Ohio State, Purdue</p>

<p>Tier 4: U Minnesota, Indiana U, Michigan State, U Iowa</p>

<p>Certain departments of these colleges belong in higher tiers, eg, Engineering at U Illinois and U Michigan are with Northwestern, Purdue’s engineering is probably deserving of Tier 2 status, Indiana’s business schools probably belongs with Tier 2, etc. Also, U Minnesota might belong in Tier 3 rather than Tier 4.</p>