<p>^ In terms of PA scores, though, Michigan is ahead of Northwestern. PA is basically a prestige rating. Of course, Northwestern’s undergrad program is by far the most selective in the big ten, but there’s a lot more to a university than its undergrad selectivity.</p>
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The latest USNWR MBA ranking has Minnesota’s Carlson in 33rd, only a bit behind OSU (26th).</p>
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<p>Your prestige hierarchy may be a little outdated with Indiana underrated. For whatever reason it’s becoming very popular with OOS kids - especially those from the New York area:</p>
<p>[From</a> Bloomingdale’s to Bloomington - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057234017401625.html]From”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057234017401625.html)</p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>“It’s a striking byproduct of one of the most competitive college admissions sessions ever – an influx of East Coast prep-school students in Indiana. Indiana University welcomed about 260 students from the greater New York City area to the limestone lecture halls on its lush, leafy campus last week, up 12.5% from last year. Another 175 came from New Jersey, up 25% from 2007, and 50 hail from Connecticut. While the numbers of students matriculating from in-state and other parts of the country are steadily increasing as well – the school had some 500 more students accept admission offers than it had planned for – the last three years have been marked by unprecedented growth from the Northeast.”</p>
<p>hawkette, your post is a little bit confusing. You say that the Big Ten is overrepresented here, then name 5/11 that aren’t looked at enough. Like I said in my original post, a bunch of really good (and fairly big names outside of CC) are getting a surprisingly small amount of attention.</p>
<p>coureur, out of my eight teachers this year a whopping three of them went to Indiana. I go to a prestigious public in a next-door state. I find this weird.</p>
<p>You know, my scale on page 2 is probably the most fair. Granted, I didn’t go into details such as numerical ranks but it’s clear that outside the top four Big 10 schools (undisputed and nationally renown), any of the seven remaining Big 10 schools can make the claim for #5, #8, or #11. Don’t be surprised if there are multiple shifts in future years.</p>
<p>@Hawkette: Your post basically just says “Michigan is overrepresented on CC”. You fail to mention a single other Big Ten school that is overrated here.</p>
<p>^^ We all know that hawkette has a vendetta against Michigan. Just look up her post history.</p>
<p>Hawkette I actually would place University of Minnesota- Twin Cities in tier 2 of your ranking easily. As noted earlier, Minnesota is definately underrated.</p>
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<p>I do notice absence for some big ten schools like Iowa, Purdue, and Ohio State. This is somewhat surprising to me since many big ten universities are some of the most prestigous large public universities in the nation.</p>
<p>UMich and NW are usually the most active forums in the big ten.</p>
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Yes, but I honestly don’t think that’s relevant here. There are 11 schools in the Big Ten; even if one of them is overrated (I’m not saying hawkette’s right, but for the sake of argument) the group as a whole could still be underrated.</p>
<p>Coolbreeze, I agree that the Big 10 is arguably the best academic Division 1 conference in the country (all institutions are members of the AAU, a prestigious association of research institutions, and the CIC, a research consortium plus the University of Chicago that is similar to the Ivy League). The reasons why some of the Big 10 schools (except Northwestern and Michigan) are underrated on CC is because most high school students prefer to attend schools on the coasts (West Coast, East Coast). The Midwest is considered “flyover country” despite the fact the Big 10 provides excellent educational opportunities.</p>
<p>^ Plus Big Ten schools have alot of school pride even those that have graduated years ago. :)</p>
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Yeah I’ve heard that term a few times.
I also like the east coasts for many reasons but still ( as being a mid-westerner) do not overlook or underestimate the mid-west schools. Like with Hawkette, I’ve always seen Minnesota par as being tier 2 schools according to Hawkette Big Ten ranking. Due to its location, eventhough the view of a large city, that may concluded to why its underrated.</p>
<p>F’soul,
I think you may be right that most of the Big Ten schools aren’t that visible on CC. Why? Well, it could partly be explained by the attitudes of most Midwesterners who aren’t caught up in all of the prestige-seeking that is so prevalent in certain regions of the country. Most Midwesterners know that their schools are fine and don’t obsess over the fact that they’re not in the Ivy League. </p>
<p>As for whether the Big Ten colleges should be more frequently cited or not, I think that the argument for could easily be made…and so, too, for colleges all over the USA. Think about a place like U Washington or a place like Texas A&M or a place like U Georgia. None get much hype on CC, but all probably have arguments as strong as most of the Big Ten colleges. There are a lot of good places that get crowded out of most CC conversations. </p>
<p>Noimag,
You’re probably right. U Michigan is overrepresented on CC. The other Big Ten colleges probably are underrepresented.</p>
<p>Tenis,
I love how you interpret a difference of opinion, supported by many datapoints, as constituting a “vendetta.” Classic. Should I be expecting a dead fish in the mail soon?</p>
<p>Only 1/2- 2/3 of the Big 10 is absent, whereas the Big 12 that is absent in entirety.</p>
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Here I was thinking it was that students didn’t want to pay $$ for OOS publics.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest – UIUC costs $25K per year for residents. Most of the Big 10 schools are hardly financial bargains.</p>
<p>LOL hawkette I am not that mean. In fact, I have no hard feelings against you. We are just two people who feel differently about the University of Michigan. As others have stated, I am not a “Michigan partisan” but I do believe you consistently underrate the university. I don’t rely too much on the U.S. News data because it’s questionable (some schools do submit incorrect/highly-inflated numbers as others have pointed out in several threads) and statistics are prone to errors (for instance, objective measures do not always take into account non-academic factors). </p>
<p>IBclass, while I agree that lack of good financial aid is a significant negative factor for Big 10 public universities, I believe geographic location is a stronger reason. For students who are not from the Midwest, they perceive the overall region as less attractive than schools located near LA, SF, DC, NY, and Boston. There are several CC threads that illustrate this perception.</p>
<p>I think hawkette’s posts speak for themselves. The prevalence of the critiques of Michigan on this thread and that it appears to be singled out is a testament to the school’s prestige.</p>
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<em>bites tongue</em></p>
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Cornell 178673
Penn 148937
Princeton 132395
Harvard 130577
Berkeley 127939 (50% of CC is from CA)
UCLA 126104 (ditto)
Yale 114955
Columbia 93816
Michigan 86541
Stanford 85263
Brown 76406
MIT 75088
Chicago 69429
Duke 51881
Dartmouth 47576
Northwestern 44226
Hopkins 30249
Caltech 22417</p>
<p>Penn State 16423
Wisconsin 14649
Illinois 13286
Indiana 11421
Ohio State 4696
Purdue 4146
Minnesota 3159
Michigan State 3019
Iowa 221 (:()</p>
<p>IBclass, don’t frown. The typical CC member is from the West Coast/East Coast (Northeast), which are more image-conscious (e.g., the type of car you drive, the name-brand clothes you wear, the neighborhood you live in, the schools you attend, etc.). The average Midwesterner is not obsessed with prestige and is quite proud of their local universities. ;)</p>
<p>It’s not necessarily due to less image consciousness, because the image midwesterners have of their state universities is a postive one. The midwesterners where I lived held their state U’s in considerable esteem, much moreso than the state U’s are esteemed here in the Northeast. Even though, looking at them objectively, there is probably not much difference between them.</p>
<p>If your goal was to stay close to home, there was nothing the state u degree would not get you there. The local professsionals of every type had overwhelmingly attended the regional state Us.</p>
<p>There are very few “top private” alternatives located anywhere near there, that probably helps the state Us where I lived, more than image-modesty. It is also true that most people there did not make anywhere near the kind of money, nominally, that people in the Northeast did. Their regionally-influenced expenses were also much lower, so this balanced out. But private college tuition is only modestly regionally-adjusted.</p>