<p>I keep reading that black and hispanic people have a higher chance of getting into harvard and other ivy leagues than a white/asian kid with the same grades and ECs... how true is this??</p>
<p>It seems believable but i cant really tell because i dont know anyone attending.</p>
<p>This issue has been hotly debated for a long, long time (e.g. on the Yale forum which is my haunt… :p). It’s really a case of affirmative action. Colleges look at your background, socioeconomic status, etc. to see what you had to work through to get where you are. Traditionally, African Americans, Hispanics and other under-represented minorities like American Indians come have had to deal with more poverty and barriers than the typical middle-class Asian or White applicant, who probably had access to a good school, a supportive home, tutors, etc. Sometimes, even if a URM has lower stats, he might be taken because he’s made the best of his opportunities and overcome adversity. I don’t believe that affirmative action would work for under-represented minorities from very well-off families, but if it does it’d be unfair…</p>
<p>Nevertheless, anyone who gets into elite colleges had something special/unique/brilliant to offer to the community of those colleges. There are plenty of superqualified URMs who get rejected, so race/legacy/donations aren’t everything in the admissions game. It’s all fair, really… :)</p>
<p>Yes, the URM status is definitely an advantage, but as to how much is uncertain. (For example, I think Dartmouth extended its deadline to January 21st for URMs.)</p>
<p>Nice answers</p>
<p>Would u guys consider an hispanic from mexico or guatemala and a black from nigeria as URM even if they are considered international students??, In case your answer is positive, would you say they have a higher or lower chance of getting in being a URM AND international?</p>
<p>URMS aren’t international. By definition, underrepresented minorities are underrepresented because their percentage in U.S. colleges or in a specific U.S. college is less than is their percentage in the U.S. population.</p>
<p>When it comes to Hispanics, URMs are Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans because the majority of Hispanics in this country are Puerto Rican or Mexican-American, but relatively few such Hispanics go to college.</p>
<p>CC members overestimate how strong an admissions factor being a URM is. The URMs who get into top colleges have a lot going for them. I’ve seen plenty of very strong URMs rejected including a Harvard reject who was a legacy, a state champion in chess, and had stats within Harvard’s range.</p>
<p>Yes minorities are without question accepted at a rate far higher than that of Asian and white students despite having far lower objective statistics as a collective body. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.asianam.org/college_admission_officers.htm[/url]”>http://www.asianam.org/college_admission_officers.htm</a></p>
<p>Slakedlime is referring to this thread: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/830524-quadruplets-admitted-yale.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/830524-quadruplets-admitted-yale.html</a></p>
<p>I believe we had a nice enlightening coversation on the inherent prejudice in such a policy. Yet, when one notices this, one’s completely noble intentions are immediately construed as bigotry.</p>
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<p>I responded to this just a few minutes ago in the Yale thread:</p>
<p>“…Dartmouth College extended its application deadline to January 21 for under-represented minorities. Could you possibly imagine the public outcry if the deadline was extended exclusively to white and Asian students? Yet when it is extended for minorities what is the reaction? Absolutely nothing.”</p>
<p>^Someone in the late application date thread on the College Admissions sub forum said that he was not a URM and his deadline was extended. I think unless the deadline extensions are said by the uni/college to be for URMs only or come from departments of things like Multicultural Recruitment (like Swarthmore’s extension) we can’t know for sure that they are only for URMs.</p>
<p>The dartmouth extension came from their outreach program for minorities. obviously only for urms!</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/841691-official-list-schools-later-deadlines-7.html#post1063861144[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/841691-official-list-schools-later-deadlines-7.html#post1063861144</a></p>
<p>I don’t know why the guy would have any reason to lie, but outreach program for minorities does sound pretty URM-y. I still totally don’t get the deadline extension though. Dartmouth basically doesn’t have a supplement, and the vast, vast majority of applicants already had to write their ComApp essay for another school.</p>
<p>DARN if I knew brown’s was the 4th I would have applied with Columbia!!! I don’t really get the extension either, but from what I’ve heard of others CCers. It seems like people who hadn’t started their app yet but dartmouth had their emails ( probably from previous interest in dartmouth or college board stated they had high test scores and were minority) and said that the deadline was extended for them. I got this email from a lot of schools I never knew existed like univ of Pacific and washington univ. ( the deadline extension).</p>
<p>Yeah I’m not sure since dartmouth didn’t post anything on their webiste</p>
<p>Believe it or not, many schools including some Ivies will take late applications. This is true of all sorts of applications that appear to have deadlines. For instance, one of my sons won a national essay contest even though I’d accidentally mailed his entry the day after the postmark deadline. I also know a student who won a college’s merit scholarship even though he applied late to the college and to the scholarship program.</p>
<p>Colleges and organizations obviously usually aren’t going to announce that they’ll accept late applications (so don’t call and ask them if they’ll accept your late one), and some definitely do not. However, if you’re interested in an opportunity, you’ve nothing to lose by sending in a late app.</p>
<p>Also, Dartmouth is being completely silent regarding its prerogative.</p>