Brandeis vs other universities

<p>I’m struggling a lot right now with my college decision, and would definitely appreciate some input!</p>

<p>I am pre-law, planning on a communications major, but very willing to explore similar majors as well. I’m trying to decide between Brandeis, University of Denver, and University of Minnesota Twin-Cities. </p>

<p>I know it looks like an easy decision–Brandeis is clearly the best for academics. But I unfortunately submitted my CSS Profile late, and have been put on the waitinglist for scholarship. As of now, I am not sure if I will receive any money for Brandeis, and my EFC is only around 23K. Denver offered me 12K in grants and I find out about additional scholarship money this coming week. At Minnesota I have in state tuition. My initial top choice was BU, but since they offered me nothing but loans, my parents said I cannot go there. </p>

<p>Is Brandeis really worth putting myself in a lot of debt, just for undergrad? Please let me know what you think, I only have a few more days to decide before the deadline!!</p>

<p>Only you and your family can know whether the college loans are affordable to you. I can tell you that many years ago I chose Brandeis over other schools where I had significantly lower costs and/or merit aid and I’m glad I did.</p>

<p>Unlike the large, state schools that are your other choices, Brandeis is a small liberal arts college functioning within a world-class research university. It’s a trick to pull that off, but they do, and the undergraduates benefit from that special combination.</p>

<p>As an admittedly biased Brandeis alum who chose Brandeis over two othersmall to medium size liberal arts experiences, Tufts and Colgate, here’s my take which I have given to others on CC. Brandeis is truly an amazing school. Its small student body- the smallest I believe (about 800 in a class) of any top tier national research university–is matched with high-powered professors who actually teach in small classes. So, the research opportunities are tremendous and the acceptance rates to top grad schools, including law and medicine, are excellent. Plus, it’s very close to Boston, the world’s greatest college town, but on its own suburban campus–really the best of both worlds.</p>

<p>Its intellectual environment is comparable in many ways to its University Athletic Association sister school, U Chicago (perhaps no coincidence that the President of U Chicago is a Brandeis alum). Yet its students are down-to-earth, friendly and non-competitive with one another. </p>

<p>Despite its small size and relative youth, Brandeis’ alumni are very distinguished–to name just a few: Nobel Prize winner for chemistry Rod Mackinnon, Fields Medal winning physicist Edward Witten (often called “Einstein’s successor”), 3-time Pulitzer Prize winner Tom Friedman of the NY Times, The Earth is Flat etc; Mitch Albom of Tuesday’s with Morrie (about his Brandeis professor), the Creators/Producers of Friends; actress Debra Messing; Robert FX Sillerman (billionaire businessman–currently owner of American Idol and Graceland) and Christy Hefner, former CEO of Playboy). Also, if you’re into social justice or theater/music/art, it’s a very exciting place to be.</p>

<p>On the question of whether Brandeis is the right fit for you, I believe the kind of person who would feel comfortable at Brandeis is an intellectual and/or creative sort who is friendly and comfortable with himself or herself and not competitive or pretentious. Intellectual but down-to-earth and friendly I think is an apt description of the student body. Unlike some preppy place or frat-oriented environments where social interraction is based on the “exclusivity” of the frat system, Brandeis has a welcoming, relatively-nonjudgmental environment–yet there are some off-campus frats for those who like what they have to offer. There is no pressure to party, but parties are there if you want them. Often social interaction centers around the numerous clubs and other terrific extracuriculars like music and theater (many professional actors, including stars have emerged from the undergrad and graduate population). </p>

<p>If you haven’t seen the recent rankings of some of Brandeis’ strongest majors, the article linked below may be interesting to you–many are among the top departments in the country. Remember that at Brandeis doctoral students and undergrads work side-by-side with the same professors. So this ranking of doctoral programs is very relevant to potential undergrads. Here’s the link:</p>

<p>[Brandeis</a> doctoral programs rate high in national survey | BrandeisNOW](<a href=“http://www.brandeis.edu/now/2010/november/nationalresearchcouncil.htm]Brandeis”>Brandeis doctoral programs rate high in national survey | BrandeisNOW)</p>

<p>Also, if you haven’t read it, this Newsweek article featuring Literature professor, Bill Flesch gives a sense of how the Brandeis “research college” learning environment can make a real difference: </p>

<p>[Four</a> Great College Professors - Newsweek](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/2009/08/11/in-search-of-great-professors.html]Four”>Four Great College Professors)</p>

<p>Finally, the school is very diverse undergraduate and graduate, with a strong international flavor (in fact the majority of its International Business School is international students). With respect to the issue for some of the school’s Jewish population, you should understand that less than 50% of its student body is Jewish (40% overall if you fairly count the grad students). Brandeis is a non-sectarian school that embraces students from all types of backgrounds based on merit. The school has no religious affiliation, although it was founded and is funded signigicantly by the Jewish community. </p>

<p>Forgive my enthusiasm, but I loved it.</p>

<p>Good luck with your decision!</p>

<p>i am the mother of a VERY happy Brandeis alum – when looking at colleges, she felt Brandeis was the right fit, applied early decision and couldn’t have been happier her 4 years there. all her friends there always seemed equally happy no matter what field they were studying.</p>

<p>BUT – we were very fortunate – with the aid she received, Brandeis worked for us financially. she has a job and does not have the burden of large student loans hanging over her.</p>

<p>its hard to predict where the economy will be in 4 years when you would be graduating – hopefully in a lot better place than it is now. But as a parent, I would caution you to carefully work the numbers before putting yourself in debt. What would your monthly payments be? What do you realistically think you might earn in your chosen field? Don’t forget to factor in how much Uncle Sam and you state will take of that. Now ask yourself, do you want to have that student loan debt burden when you graduate? I know from a parents’ perspective how many of my friends are seriously concerned as to what will happen when their kids graduate – jobs prospects are really tough these days but those loan payments are going to have to start whether or not their children first find jobs.</p>

<p>I see you are considering pre-law – that means additional costs for law school. Go over to the law school forum and read posts about the legal job market and debt. How likely are you to have to incur debt for law school on top of the debt you are considering for undergrad? I have friends whose kids recently graduated law school and can’t find jobs as lawyers – certainly not what they expected when they decided to attend. </p>

<p>I think its important to go to a college where you will flourish and have a great 4 years intellectually and socially. But I think it also important to realistically weigh where you will be financially at the end of those 4 years (or 7 if you go straight to law school).</p>

<p>Did you contact your financial aid officer, and also did you ask to file an appear? You do not have to just accept the initial offer. You have little time left, so pick up the phone and call them tomorrow.</p>

<p>Financial aid is of course based upon your parents income. Student loans are really a thing of the past. They will offer you around $6K max Federal student loans, then the rest will be the Plus loans colleges force your parents to apply for. </p>

<p>Assuming your parents aren’t making over $200K/yr or have a lot in the bank, you should be eligible for aid and your financial aid is revised every year. If you would have gotten aid but simply applied late, and if an appeal wont work for you, then you can still get aid next year and every year after so it’s not like you are stuck for all 4 years being empty handed. Have the folks bite the bullet / take a loan for one year, and plan on aid for the others!</p>

<p>You have to fight for what you want, don’t give up yet!</p>

<p>Good luck…</p>

<p>I appreciate all the input!</p>

<p>I have been in contact with my financial aid counselor, but she has been very hard to reach via phone, so I have been speaking with her via email. She told me today that I did not qualify for need based scholarship due to investments and dividend income. She also said that she would not be able to make any decision without my updated 2010 tax forms. It is very frustrating, because yes, we DO have investments and dividend income, but still, if I went to Brandeis without aid, I would be graduated 100K in debt, and I’m looking to continue my education and go to law school. I cannot believe that I would not qualify for need based aid with an EFC of 23K.</p>

<p>Well… No investments, no dividends, no equity left in home, 401K wiped out by a year of “vacation” from the great recession, and I got hit with $21K EFC ($33K at GU). Even in state at UC Berkeley will cost me (son) more than $30K/yr. </p>

<p>So the message is this is the toughest time probably in history to be a kid trying to get a decent education in the US. The Economist is forecasting a massive education “bubble” as they see the costs of education as being way out of line. </p>

<p>It’s no consolation, but I truly feel your pain…</p>