Hey guys,
I have heard about these programs here and there on CC, but would really like to have more solid information. How competitive are these institutions? (Ivy League level?) And what do they look for in applicants? Etc.
Any related info. is appreciated. Thanks for the help.
<p>the brown med program is as selective as selective goes. they received around 1500 apps and accepted 100 (around there). they're looking for geniuses who are amazing in virtually all areas. </p>
<p>don't know much about Northwestern</p>
<p>lol i know it sounds tough, but u may have a shot at both. what are ur stats?</p>
<p>Northwestern's HPME requires applicants to fill out a small postcard with their stats on it: class rank, GPA, SAT scores, etc. They will prescreen these cards and select 300 applications to be sent out. Out of these 300 applications, they accept about 40-50 people per year. This program is very selective and many turn down schools like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale to attend. I personally know two people accepted to the program and they also got into Harvard, Yale, and MIT.</p>
<p>Wow! Sounds intimidating.
I'm actually just a rising sophmore, and thus my stats arent fully complete. but as for the moment:</p>
<p>Freshman yr GPA: 4.0
(weighted: 4.2)
Took toughest schedule possbile as a frshman. </p>
<p>Sophmore yr. courses:
Precalc (H)
Bio AP
Chem AP
World History (no AP offered at my school)
World Lit.
PE (grad. requirement)
Spanish 3 (its H only for Spanish 4)</p>
<p>I go to a REALLY competitve public school in California (essentially everyone at my school is asian)</p>
<p>Top 2% class rank (this is an estimate...my school doesnt really do class rank)</p>
<p>So far have only taken SAT II Chemistry (June 2005): 790
Plan to take SAT II MAth IIC and SAT II Bio next yr. </p>
<p>ECs:
WalkAmerica Officer MArch of Dimes (national council)
March of Dimes Club: founder, President
Captain of WalkAmerican Team (at my high school) for March of Dimes
Alzheimer's Association: Youth REcruitment Coordinator, REpresentative Volunteer: so far 200+ hrs.
Middle Level Director: FBLA
Math/Science Club: Competitions Manager</p>
<p>--Did environmental geochem. research at Stanford w/ professor, in differentiating chemical reactivities of 2 "isomers" of UO2: biologically mediated, and bulk/ore form. </p>
<p>Awards/Honors:
Mandelbrot Competition: State Level
CAML Competition: State Level
Stanford Math Competition: Honorable Mention (Team Competition)
FBLA: REgional Level Competitor in Business MAth and Business Comm.
State Competitor in Intro. to Parlimentary Procedures.</p>
<p>As a Soph. I am also going to try out for the school Science Bowl Team at my school, specializing in Biology and Chemistry. </p>
<p>So far do I have ANY hope of making those prgms? Those sound scarily competitive...</p>
<p>Thanks again for the help guys.</p>
<p>Well, you need to make sure your SAT and SAT IIs are way up there.
I think the average SAT was like a 1520.</p>
<p>Don't really know much about it, but I do have a powerpoint thing explaining the program (HPME only) if you want it.</p>
<p>PM me if you want it.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that one HPME student I know turned down a full scholarship at Chicago, and they only give out 25 per year.</p>
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the brown med program is as selective as selective goes. they received around 1500 apps and accepted 100 (around there). they're looking for geniuses who are amazing in virtually all areas.
don't know much about Northwestern
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<p>Actually PLME's SAT average is 1455. Pretty good score but I wouldn't call that "genius". ;) SAT average for Northwestern's HPME is quite a bit higher--1535.</p>
<p>Since Brown's and Northwestern's medical schools aren't rank terribly high, would it be better to just do the traditional four years and apply to a top ten medical school? No offense to Northwestern and Brown.</p>
<p>These days medical schools admissions are getting more and more competitive. The guarenteed admission allows people to relax a bit (they still have to maintain a minimum GPA and might have to take the MCAT, but they don't have to worry about the competition)</p>
<p>sr6622,</p>
<p>Well, you can still apply to other med schools while being HPME and PLME. In that case, Northwestern or Brown are schools that you can fall back on if all others reject you. The answer also depends on how good you are. If you are truly exceptional and get like 3.9 GPA at JHU, then chances are you can get into JHU/Harvard. Let me warn you, however, that med schools' admission are very competitive. Even a 3.7 GPA from Harvard probably can't get you into school like Northwestern's med school, let alone those above it. A lot of people have this misconception that if they get pretty good, but doesn't have to be spectacular, GPA like 3.5 or 3.6 from top schools, they would get into top-20 or top-10 med schools when the competition is a lot more fierce than they think.</p>
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Since Brown's and Northwestern's medical schools aren't rank terribly high, would it be better to just do the traditional four years and apply to a top ten medical school? No offense to Northwestern and Brown.
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Depends on how risk averse you are.</p>
<p>"Northwestern or Brown are schools that you can fall back on if all others reject you. "</p>
<p>I think Brown has this policy that you give away your spot in their med. school if you apply out after 4 years.</p>
<p>Where did anyone get the idea that Northwestern's medical school "doesn't rank terribly high"? Is there a Useless News and World Distort ranking?</p>
<p>I think it's ranked as #20. Pretty high, if you ask me.</p>