<p>So I just found out we have an officially sponsored communist group on campus.</p>
<p>So I was wondering then what would happen if we made a nazi group? This is *****<strong><em>. Who the *</em></strong> accepted this? So my money goes to pay ****ing communist wannabes? How would some of you felt if your money went to support a nazi group? Or a KKK group? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Those two are evil and communism is just a point of view, right. Tell that to my dead grandparents.</p>
<p>This is absurd. Nazism and groups such as the KKK are incredibly violent, extremist political ideologies. Communism is not a threatening political ideology in and of itself like those two examples are; it’s true that communism can become extreme and that communists can be cruel people, but capitalists, Republicans, Democrats, insert any other political affiliation here, can become extremist. They are not inherently extremist like the KKK or the Nazi Party are.</p>
<p>No, communism is just THE worst mistake (or crime) of humanity, and should be done with, violently if need be. </p>
<p>Tolerating would be one thing. Funding though is at a whole different level.</p>
<p>Nobody cares about the extremist communist leaders. They are nothing more than mass murderers. The problem is following ill-thought principles which will always, inevitably, lead to tragedy. It is built into the system, if all the DOZENS of examples still haven’t proven this, then I can only assume that the followers are very very stupid people. Why is a university funding stupid people?</p>
<p>Check with UCS to see what level the communist group is classified as. If they’re not very active, they might not be getting any university money.</p>
<p>I checked the UFB site and they are getting ~2500$ a year if I’m not mistaken. Around with several other tens of useless groups, all of them totaling to around 1.000.000$. Really nice to see they sponsor communist groups, but go trayless to save money. </p>
<p>Who the hell gave any authority to students in handling university money in the first place? Jesus. Do you know how money is spent there? The “brown zen group” gets ~100$ for a barbecue grill? Some other group I don’t remember got ~200 for a disco light, tho they had nothing to do with dancing or whatever.</p>
<p>Actually check all the numbers yourself. <a href=“http://www.brown.edu/Students/UFB/2006-2007.php[/url]”>http://www.brown.edu/Students/UFB/2006-2007.php</a></p>
<p>If brown wants to save money, they should seriously cut this useless garbage of groups.</p>
<p>Hey too bad. I didn’t realize such close minded people went to Brown. Unfortunately, the university doesn’t hold the same beliefs as you.</p>
<p>Right, if I were a jew or black or feminist and complained about some group’s existence offending me, it would have been different. Sorry to say that, but it’s true.</p>
<p>Much like this guy says, only not limited to religion
<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/kate-fritzsche-10-the-secret-life-of-catholics-at-brown-1.1882141[/url]”>http://www.browndailyherald.com/kate-fritzsche-10-the-secret-life-of-catholics-at-brown-1.1882141</a></p>
<p>If I’m in one of the “special groups” my beliefs and feelings are held as sacred and no one dares to cross them or question them, i get all facilities necessary to support them, but if I’m not I’m just closed minded. Way to spread racism guys.</p>
<p>That guy is a girl.</p>
<p>Your attitude is extremely off-putting. If you don’t like how the UFB is funding groups, get elected and change things. In the meantime, who are you to say that a communist group is ‘useless’? To you and me, sure, but to others it may be a source of friendship, comfort, inspiration – and good for them. Maybe try not to get offended so easily (as I black Jewish feminist, I am allowed to tell you this).</p>
<p>Ok fine, then I will apply for a nazi group, if that happens to provide me with warmth comfort and friendship.</p>
<p>How do you think the LGBT group feels about some of the more conservative religious groups?</p>
<p>You’re making this a much larger deal than it needs to be. Brown is a community full largely of liberal, open-minded people. There will be thoughts, ideologies, and practices you agree with and those you disagree with. Unless you are actually being victimized, agree to disagree, or agree to argue tactfully and respectfully, and move on.</p>
<p>Just as I said, that’s perfect, but then I should be allowed to make a nazi group. I see no difference.</p>
<p>If you guys see a difference, well, maybe it’s just because you haven’t even remotely experienced the real stuff and have no idea what you’re talking about. Sure talking from books and tv shows is really cool, but it has nothing to do with real life.</p>
<p>Unless I’m being actually victimized? So wait, if I’m jewish, and spot a zvastica, I can complain, and people will be like ZOMG sorry we will look into this and kill the nasty people who drew it, but if we have an actually sponsored communist group and I complain, I’m closed minded and should agree to disagree? Drop your double standard if you want to argue respectfully.</p>
<p>Well then just make one and see what happens.</p>
<p>Oh and if you’re trying to be so open minded about stuff, maybe it’s also time to realize that there are other ****s going on or which have been going on other than whatever you heard about on mtv, so don’t try to sound tolerant when you obviously have no idea what’s been going on in half the globe in the past century.</p>
<p>If you knew, you’d also understand why eastern european countries made songs going like “lalalala better DEAD than a communist lalalala” and why we shot our beloved comrade leader AND his ***** wife on Christmas day.</p>
<p>Half a continent hates communists just like jews hate nazis. There is a reason for this. I find Brown’s unequal policy on this extremely revolting, but hey, who ever pays the cash is right, right? And what do you want me to do, explain this to students or the administration? Well, maybe living in your little bubble all this time rendered you unable to see how this would be a complete suicide. You can’t talk **** unless you’re saying the right things. But this must be hard to notice if you’re on the right side I guess.</p>
<p>Make one and see what happens? Well I am fairly confident that other than being kicked out just for attempting not much will happen.</p>
<p>Negru, I really think you need to calm down.</p>
<p>Is a communist organization such a bad idea? I don’t think so. Just cause Stalin made </p>
<p>Would a fascist organization on campus make you more happy? Then make one.</p>
<p>But think about it. Every political ideology in the world has done something wrong at one point. Theorcracies have initiated Crusades and Jihads, Imperialists have doomed entire populations, while democracies haven’t done better. Need I remind you of what happened after the French Revolution? </p>
<p>Just let it be and be open. Are the people in that communist organization talking about organizing another gulag? Are they hoping for a Cultural Revolution? I wouldn’t think so. </p>
<p>Now stop ■■■■■■■■ around.</p>
<p>But it’s still not clear to me why then communism is ok, but nazi’s are not. That’s what I want to find out. 100% of communist leaders in the world are and have been nothing more than murderers. Not all democratic leaders have been murderers, not all theocracies, and not many other people. Get your statistics, they’re very relevant. </p>
<p>“Every political ideology in the world has done something wrong at one point.”
True. Communism though has never done anything not-wrong. If the people in the group aren’t pondering gulags, well then they really suck at communism, because that’s the only way to make it work. Ever. If they don’t know that, they are even less worthy than I thought. At least then they would know what they’re talking about. Otherwise they’re just a bunch of spoiled brats who talk about **** that brought unimaginable pain to millions of people like it’s cool or something. Sounds ok for a civilized university to sponsor something like that, right?</p>
<p>I gave this some more thought, and I am sure this is what a conversation would go down like:
-So, you want the communist group shut down?
-Yes plx. Communism has never brought anything good to humanity, only immense pain and misery, effectively destroying whole countries and peoples for centuries’s worth, for ever tainting our collective memory with the guilt of our grandparents not choosing death over slavery and being turned from university professors to sewer cleaners, of being sentenced to a life in prison forced to eat their own **** just for speaking english and thus being enemies of the state, with the millions of people killed or tortured along with their families for having succeeded in reaching a decent standard of living, thus being enemies of the state. Many people whom I never had the chance to meet but which I try to honor as I can, gave their life so my country could finally be free of this abomination, this plague which left scars which will take hundreds of years to heal, this crime called communism, and everything that it stands for.
-Nah thanks we’re cool.
-But wait, why are nazi anti-jewish groups not allowed then?
-*** you said the j word, ■■■■</p>
<p>Of course everybody here is like cmon man be chill, have a joint, it’s college ffs. Learn to appreciate this gift of different opinions and feelings, and cmon just give a big hugy hugy to the commies,they’re sad because you hate them to death.</p>
<p>If this is indeed the “happy atmosphere” at brown, then by god I will do my best to never become such a ****ing moron in the moron herd.</p>
<p>Nazism is an ideology founded on discrimination and hatred.</p>
<p>Communism is not. The only reason that communist states have been so horrible is because they were not practicing actual communism but more like (surprise) fascism.</p>
<p>k.</p>
<p>(And to clarify, I would have absolutely no problem with the UFB funding a fascist group.)</p>
<p>“Unless I’m being actually victimized? So wait, if I’m jewish, and spot a zvastica, I can complain, and people will be like ZOMG sorry we will look into this and kill the nasty people who drew it, but if we have an actually sponsored communist group and I complain, I’m closed minded and should agree to disagree?”</p>
<p>No one’s going to kill anybody because you’ve seen a swastika. If you want anyone to take you seriously, stop exaggerating and cite your so-called statistics.</p>
<p>You have yet to explain how the communist group on campus has targeted you. Yes, communist governments have killed people, just like governments of all sorts have killed people. We understand that you hate communism. But you haven’t explained what the communist group on campus has done wrong in your eyes besides simply existing.</p>
<p>I have stated what is wrong with their existence: the unequal treatment. </p>
<p>If you are so certain no one would be ****ed over a svastica, try for example wearing one through campus. To compare, try wearing a hammer and sickle. Reactions I assure you will be 100% opposite in nature, including the ones from administation.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why you keep insisting that communism at it roots or whatever is actually really cool. I’m pretty sure so is fascism depending on your point of view. Nazi’s would despise and kill you if you were a jew. Communists would kill you if you were rich or an intellectual. Because there’s no way to go around this in communism, ALL countries which went through communism went through this class cleansing. I’m not so sure why targeting by race is worse than targeting by class. In fact, it’s arguably the other way around.</p>
<p>Communism in promising its utopia is EXACTLY like a group promising heaven. It’s a nice idea and all, but you forget that they will have to kill you first to get to heaven, and there’s no going around this. Communism has ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE come along with the class genocide. They are equal and indistinguishable concepts. </p>
<p>If you see ethnic cleansing as troublesome, I’m not sure why you don’t see class cleansing and forceful collectivization as troublesome as well. Tell me how you can achieve communism without both. Since you can’t, there is an implicit equivalence.</p>
<p>Nazism is an ideology based on racial superiority. Communism is an ideology based on eliminating private property. There is absolutely no way you can say that the two are equal.</p>
<p>Again, what has the group on campus done to you or anyone else? I don’t care if you disagree with them. I don’t believe in God but certainly don’t hate the idea of people forming a group based on their similar religious ideologies.</p>
<p>this is intense **** 
Negru actually made some good points :o despite the fact that many of them were overshadowed by his rage.</p>