Brown Young Communist League

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<p>And don’t even start me with religions. And again this isn’t about someone forming a group. It’s about receiving university funds. If someone made a rape group, that would be fine with me, because of freedom of speech and that stuff. If they received funds, that would be a bit strange, but ok let’s play along. However, if they receive funds, and are tolerated, then so should murder groups, theft groups, etc.</p>

<p>And why do I have to be individually targeted? If I make a general racist remark, am I making an individual threat or comment? No, but wait, I’m still not allowed to do that. Well, as I said, you can consider communism (just by existing) to be a form of racism. Only not against races, but against classes of people, intellectuals and anything upper than lower class.</p>

<p>Racism is: if you’re black, jew, something really evil because of your skin color, then we will kill you, or at the very least try to push you away.
Communism is:if you’re an intellectual or posses any important property (ie more than ~2 rooms per family, or more than a few square meters of land if you’re a peasant) or something really evil because you actually accomplished something in life, we will kill you or send you to prison for life, steal all your property, turn the whole people into hating and despising you for living off the back of real workers.</p>

<p>How are these not in the same bag of nastiness?</p>

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<p>teenage_cliche is right.</p>

<p>I think someone is being narrow minded here. Nazism and Communism essentially are two totally different ideologies. Nazism was found on superiority of an Aryan race and was actually anti-Communism. Communism is an ideology that based on eliminating private property so everyone enjoys an equal share (enjoy free education & healthcare etc.), although it’s not very realistic.</p>

<p>I can’t see anything wrong to have a Brown Young Communist League </p>

<p>Introduction
The Young Communist League at Brown University is a multiracial group of students who work for RACIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE on campus and in the Providence community. We seek to question, analyze, and dismantle power structures through which people are EXPLOITED AND OPPRESSED and to CREATE AVENUES through which we can TRANSFORM SOCIETY. By using coalition-building and direct action models, we work to create a better Brown, a better Providence, and a better society by supporting and engaging in immediate local struggles with an eye to visionary global goals.</p>

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<p>negru, you should realize by now that your’re fighting a losing battle. No one here supports your parochial close-minded opinions. I’m sure you probably have some poor experience with Communism in your past (did you mention your grandparents?). Hey buddy, wake up, most people here have parents, or grandparents who have been affected as well; whether it be directly serving in the armed serviced during the cold war or living in fear from USSR and China.</p>

<p>What they understand, and you don’t however, is the fact that Communism is an ideology, just like Capitalism, neo-classical economics, and Keynesian economics. With each, there are supporters and haters. The other members of CC have already made it clear that the FUNDAMENTALS of communism do not in any way shape or form support murders or the removal of liberties. </p>

<p>If you are so stingy and ignorant as to balk at the idea of your University sending $2k money to this club, maybe you should transfer instead of ranting on an online forum in which no one cares about your opinion. Why don’t you take this to the administration instead of hiding behind an online screen name? I’m not done with you yet.</p>

<p>Universities, ESPECIALLY BROWN, are places where personal exploration is promoted, whether or not they are popular. Maybe you shouldn’t have applied to Brown if you aren’t so open and liberal as the University entails. Hey, did you know on the UChicago campus, they hired a architect to create a statue, but only after he finished and they payed him did UChicago realize the architect was a communist and the statue created a shadow resembling the hammer and sickle during a certain time of day? </p>

<p>You know what the university did? They left it. Why? To show how classy and open they are, even to unpopular ideas. That says a lot more than what you are.</p>

<p>If you don’t like it, quit, but stop filling these forums with your childish bull$hit.</p>

<p>Have a nice day.</p>

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<p>Oh I’m just putting this out in the open</p>

<p>And BTW, that introduction you quoted sounds exactly like the kind of propaganda actual communists used back in the day. If you see no serious issue with what it says, then you may be right that I’m fighting a losing battle, if people can’t think ahead in 1-2 steps.</p>

<p>And I never said that communism and nazism are the same thing? I was just saying that both are and have been equally destructive.</p>

<p>And you see, the difference between me and some other people here, is that I actually CARE deeply about these things. Don’t even compare with the general folks here. I don’t watch a tv show about some tragic historic event and be like omg that’s so sad, and then ZOMG I’m so happy the whole world is so cool.</p>

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<p>That’s the definition of a shallow person. The kind of person which under different circumstances and geographical locations would have no trouble tolerating racism, genocide, homophobia, or whatever. The kind of person who doesn’t actually think seriously about things, just goes with whatever is cool. Today it seems that being tolerant to any **** that flies (EXCEPT arbitrarily chosen ****s) is the cool. </p>

<p>Being tolerant to anything and everything is not being liberal. It’s having no ideas about anything. Being tolerant for the sake of being tolerant is simply ■■■■■■■■.</p>

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<p>I’ve done both before (wearing a shirt with a swastika, and one with a hammer and sickle). You probably wouldn’t know any of these people, but some in the world are what we like to call “open-minded.”</p>

<p>They recognize that not everyone sees the world the same way. They understand that some people have used the swastika as a symbol of peace and good luck for several thousand years. They also understand that, in theory, communism supports equality and the general welfare.</p>

<p>Stop being so ignorant.</p>

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<p>Ok, then please explain to me the witch hunting that took place 1 or 2 years ago here after someone drew a bunch of swastikas.</p>

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<p>Communism HAS worked in practice, in small scale, elective environments. Have your heard of a Kibbutz? Well, they are very effective Jewish communes. Communisms innate principals are based on nothing harmful like Nazism. It is a political ideology that deserves the same credit and funding and libertarianism, republicanism, green party, democratic party, etc, etc.</p>

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<p>You completely fail to realize what I mean by this statement. You’re portraying yourself as a savior, or independent thinker who’s trying to enlighten everyone about the horrors of following like sheep. Now there is no question that if everyone followed a demagogue, dictatorships and monarchs would result. I however, am not talking about your losing battle to Communism as you so dramatically imply. I am talking about your losing battle on this CC forum, in which everyone is mature enough to respect opinions of others, whether they agree or not, and in which no one agrees with your narrow disposition.</p>

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<p>Do you honestly think that a small club, one who has a $2k fund, has the ability to some day control our public opinion, undermine political system and our government bureaucracy ? Sounds to me that you are more paranoid than anything.</p>

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<p>Well you certainly implied that on more than one occasion. You continue to compare creating a Communist club with creating a Nazi club, two which are completely opposite. Nazi’s are fascist, or far right, while Communists are on the extreme left. These are completely opposite spectrums and the only reason people like you think they are synonymous is because when executed incorrectly, they feel the same due to a strong dictator.</p>

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<p>Racism. Genocide. Homophobia. You throw around profound words that have little relation to the topic of Communism. If the communist club was sending flyers around campus, urging students to harass the rich and privileged, then, yes, these words may make sense. In no way has this club actually done any of these things to promote racism, genocide, or homophobia. The person who is shallow in this thread is you, my friend, for rejected the opinions of others.</p>

<p>I sincerely hope people like you do not end up in our government or some other influential position. With such a narrow mind and shallow (yes I’m branding you with your own word) perspective, it is people like you who actually make dictators like Stalin and Hitler. They don’t accept any other opinon, and currently neither do you. As Americans, we should cherish the freedom of speech and the freedom to believe what we want. Even if Communism may not make the most sense to most Americans, we can still learn from it; avoid its mistakes, and take from it what merits it may have.</p>

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<p>You see, you have the privilege of talking about communism as an abstract notion, which hardly if at all bothered you in any way. You can put communism in the same place with any other kind political or philosophical perspective, because that’s what it is for you.</p>

<p>I probably would share your attitude if people were talking about an oppressive system on the moon - that’s where my country is anyway for what most people care (but guess why anyway…) though I would try to be actually OPEN-MINDED and understand what their own perspective is. And between us, it’s only THEIR perspective which makes any sense - only they know what they’re talking about, because they’re the only ones who experienced it.</p>

<p>I find it very presumptuous and patronizing for people here to tell me what communism is really about. You’re like the guys who say “oh but Christianity at its roots is kind and gentle and all about love, and here is what Joshua 10:20 says about loving thy neighbor” to people burning on a stake. I don’t care what you’re little books say about it. In fact I know what some of them say. Last year a friend of mine started working here for a prof writing a book on communism. After he read some parts and realized that the book had nothing in common with reality, he could only say “*** is this fairytale?”. The prof was actually writing how opposition leaders as well as our former king were proven traitors, and so communists rightfully took over. It is today a known and proven fact that all incriminating evidence was planted, and the king was forced to abdicate at gunpoint and under the threat of slaughetring one thousand students currently held in prisons by the glorious red army of the ussr - which yes were our allies. My friends, with all do respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Many people today feel that we should have stayed in the war along side germany, and hopefully be obliterated by some nukes, rather than have to live through communism.</p>

<p>So just to repeat, I don’t care at all about what communism is founded upon or what its goals are. I only care about what it has and inevitably will always lead to. That’s the difference between thinking 1-2 steps ahead, as I pointed out on numerous occasions on this forum: people here will stop thinking right after the title - if it sounds good, it’s good, and that’s it. You don’t even care (as can be obviously seen from replies here) what the main body is all about. You just assert that only the title is important, and the rest are details. If they don’t work, you just say eh it’s a little unrealistic maybe, but still ok in theory (i mean, just look at the title). If I try and analyze the details, and realize that they are horrible and criminal and inhumane, you say oh why are you so narrow minded - didn’t you read the title?</p>

<p>If none of these actions, all arising from the “good” principles of equality, didn’t put off any of the guys in the communist group, then there are only two possibilities:
1)they don’t understand were everything will lead
2)they understand this but are ok with it</p>

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<p>You seemed to have ignored what I had said above. When all people in a community elect to form a commune, then it is and has been proven to be effective. I highly doubt that Brown is forcing to students to join the communist club. </p>

<p>In addition, your arguments about Christianity at its roots is an important one. For example, the terrorist attacks are all under the name of Allah and Islam, but does that mean that Islam is an innately evil religion? I sure don’t think so. I think it means that there are some bad people who happen to be Muslim, in the same sense that there were some terribly powerful people who attempted to form communist countries (unsuccessfully of course since they ended up being socialist).</p>

<p>Why would you even post such a controversial thing if you don’t want anyone to question you?</p>

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<p>You still haven’t answered my first question. </p>

<p>If your’re so passionate about this controversy, why don’t you bring it up with Brown’s administrates. Why are you hiding behind an online screen name raving on an online forum? If you are as truly disturbed by this issue as you try to seem, an online forum is not where you’re going to get things done. Go see Brown’s administrators. Better yet, go talk to the men and women from the Communist club. If you don’t have the balls to do that, that’s not our problem.</p>

<p>If you have nothing more to say besides ■■■■■■■■ this forum, I ask that you kindly leave. </p>

<p>To everyone else, leave this idiot alone and move on with your lives. Adding to this thread, even if it is to contest to his clearly biased and childish beliefs only feeds his ■■■■■-like instincts. ■■■■■■ feed on attention. When they don’t get that attention, they get frustrated and annoyed, starve, and shrivel up into nothing.</p>

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<p>tl;dr</p>

<p>Have you been to a meeting of the Brown Young Communist League? You have no idea what sort of communism the members advocate - as mentioned above, a kibbutz is completely different from a communist state. Communism does not necessarily lead to to a disastrous ‘1-2 steps’ ahead.</p>

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<p>The Nazi Party was a political party founded in Post-WWI Germany, born out of frustration towards the miserable plight of the postwar Germany, which manifested itself into fervent, xenophobic nationalism and a belief that the Jews conspired to bankrupt Germany and force it into losing the war.</p>

<p>Communism is a political theory first named and observed by Karl Marx, one of the most important political philosophers and economists of the past millennium. Communal societies have, however, existed for thousands of years, and numerous historical figures have espoused its central tenets of collectivism and equality. One among the many pre-Marx proponents of communism is Jesus Christ.</p>

<p>Sorry; good try.</p>

<p>But what I’m really curious about is why you’re complaining about such a measly thing as a little student-run club at Brown. If you seek to stop Brown University from supporting communist thought, what you really should be complaining about are the Intro to Political Philosophy and Intro to Political Economy courses. The curriculum of those two courses are riddled with communist theory, and the students are guaranteed to read books by communists, supporting communism, and discussing communist theory.</p>

<p>So why this little vendetta against a stupid little insignificant club? You have bigger fish to fry!</p>

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<p>I’m pretty sure I went into that some threads ago. But don’t call Marx an economist for heaven’s sake. A 4 year old can understand that his policies make absolutely no economical sense and are only based on what he grabs from his ass and declares correct.</p>

<p>A simple proof of this can be found in any study investigating political and economical views of economics professors and business people - ie the only people in the world who should have a say in economics, just like physicists are the only people who can talk about physics, etc. You will find that an overwhelming proportion are right-wing. Except of course for some of the new ones which appeared like mushrooms after rain with the whole bailout business - just like “green” pocket scientists appeared after it was decreed that the earth is warming due to humans. Of course that whatever is currently cool gives the most funding, and people just do that. </p>

<p>And discussing this in a course is different. It doesn’t imply that you support it. You can also discuss crimes in a course.</p>

<p>A few people in a closed community can do whatever they want for all I care. Trying to impose communist measures on a larger community though is different - and that is the purpose of YCL, as can be read from their own intro. It’s completely irrelevant if they can accomplish it or not. Just like the university shouldn’t accept a terrorist group proposing to destroy the statue of liberty(even if they have no means of doing so), it shouldn’t accept a group proposing to destroy a society through its crazy and ill-thought plans and ideas - as most economics and business people would agree. If you think it’s ok if most people accept it, then would you agree that it’s ok to accept nazism if most people accept it? </p>

<p>And staying in our campus, a campus which voted for a million dollar vegetable garden, do you still think you impress me if you say that the general student body and administration is ok with it? I have learned in my years here that students have no idea *** is going on with the world, and the administration just tries to keep them pleased, and keep potential donors pleased, and that’s all there is to it.</p>

<p>And I don’t get involved with this because honestly I want to spend my time here usefully. Not running groups which have no idea what they’re talking about, or running a board which dishes funds based on member personal preferences - ie students playing grown ups, and failing badly at it.</p>

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…and writing these long posts on CC is such a good use of your time, right?</p>

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<p>Takes about 5-10 minutes</p>

<p>And I don’t see what the problem is with posting, can’t handle a little contradictory conversation? Oh wait I forgot, liberals are only tolerant to other liberals. I always wondered why liberals in the US are actually called liberals. They’re only liberal about half the issues, while conservatives are liberal to the other half. Confuses my european mind I guess.</p>

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<p>Karl Marx was perhaps the most important classical economist, if not second behind Adam Smith. There are a moderate amount of socialist economists, and Marxist economists/economic historians.</p>

<p>While a purported 14 year old may understand something, it is clear that you understand absolutely nothing about economic history, economic thought, political theory… actually, really anything about the social sciences. w t f are you doing with your free, no core requirements schedule? Taking all chemistry classes and then going on discussion boards bragging about your superior knowledge of social theory?</p>

<p>More importantly, you are not a student of Brown University. I refuse to believe that Brown would accept a student who writes so incoherently and so illogically. Or that at least that they wouldn’t be able to teach you how to write decently - and reason critically, for that matter. But it’s overwhelmingly clear from that scatter shot post above that you need serious remedial writing classes.</p>

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<p>Lol I know that Obama is failing, but you don’t have to express your frustration here, just keep to the facts.</p>

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<p>So would an email to the administration.</p>