Bush had better grades than Kerry! Ironic

<p>Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's</p>

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<p>President Bush, left, and Sen. John Kerry were both active in sports during their Yale years.</p>

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<p>(June 7) - Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.</p>

<p>Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year - in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.</p>

<p>His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 - his highest grade - in political science as a senior.</p>

<p>''I always told my dad that D stood for distinction,'' Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.</p>

<p>Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.</p>

<p>By the Numbers </p>

<p>89
Kerry's highest grade at Yale</p>

<p>88
Bush's highest grade at Yale</p>

<p>4
Number of Ds Kerry received in his freshman year</p>

<p>1
Number of Ds Bush received in his four undergrad years</p>

<p>Source: AP </p>

<p>In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.</p>

<p>Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.</p>

<p>Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.</p>

<p>Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.</p>

<p>This proves one thing: Grades don't make the person. What counts is what you do with what you learn. They were both mediocre students but were successful in their own right, with strong leadership qualities.</p>

<p>On May 31, Bush dismissed as "absurd" an Amnest International report condemining the treatment of prisoners at Guantanoma Bay.</p>

<p>"It seemed to me they based some of their decisions on the word of-and the allegations-by peopel who were held in detention, people who hate American, people that had been trained to some instances to disassemble-that means not tell the truth."</p>

<p>-G. Bush, as quoted in the Washington Post</p>

<p>Note:
dis.as.sem.ble (v.tr.): to take apart; disassemble a toaster</p>

<p>You must take into account that ther were probably certain measures that teachers and administrators took to ensure that GW didn't fail all of his classes.</p>

<p>Kerry was probably more occupied with athletics and leading the yale political union. Bush was probably more occupied with drinking and cheerleading.</p>

<p>pretty snide</p>

<p>Snide, perhaps-but nonetheless true.</p>

<p>and coke. candy makes you dandy.</p>

<p>and yet there are kids who currently attend yale who do what kerry did who don't get several D's. bush is no genius, but kerry's right down there with him - actually below. and you have no idea what bush did, so stop speculating and making excuses for kerry because all the democratic party can do is say how stupid bush is.</p>

<p>what classes did they take...that would be interesting to know</p>

<p>what classes did they take...that would be interesting to know</p>

<p>ps Bush can hardly put together sentences without notes or practice...</p>

<p>Well, not all Democrats were absolutely in love with Kerry, either... One of my suitemates wrote a YDN article about Kerry and Bush during the election, and the piece featured interviews from their classmates. I'll see if I can dig it up somewhere...</p>

<p>Ok, this is a really long article. So please excuse the length...</p>

<p>(From November 1, 2004, issue of the YDN)</p>

<p><em>Candidates' classmates watch as race closes</em></p>

<p>While most voters will look to the past few months of campaigning to decide their vote in tomorrow's presidential election, some will look back as far as 42 years. For many alumni who attended college with President George W. Bush '68 and Mass. Sen. John F. Kerry '66, recalling their shared days at Yale is an inevitable part of evaluating the political playing field.</p>

<p>The classmates, fraternity brothers and political companions who spent four of their most formative years together with Bush and Kerry, enjoy the benefits of having known the two men before the negative advertisements and political spin. Some alumni said they are still friends and political supporters of the two candidates.</p>

<p>Having gone to Yale in a politically charged era, alumni say it is not a coincidence that their classmates both chose careers in Washington, D.C.</p>

<p>"While people are focusing on how strange it is that the two candidates, even though they come from two political parties, are from essentially the same educational background, I'm not surprised by that," said Donald Etra '68, a friend of the president since their days in Davenport College and the secret society Skull and Bones. "It was clearly a tradition of public service that was imbued to us by the professors, and there was a feeling on campus even then that -- we had to return some of the benefits we got to the country by way of public service."</p>

<p>Before they entered the political arena, however, Bush and Kerry were just regular college guys, their fellow Elis said.</p>

<p>"We used to drop water bombs out of the third floor on unsuspecting people downstairs -- it was childish," Steven Perskie '66, who lived below Kerry in Jonathan Edwards College, said. "It was what 19, 20-year-old guys did at the time."</p>

<p>Similarly, Franklin Levy '68 recalled fond memories of his time at Yale with Bush. Levy served as house chairman of Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity during Bush's 1966 term as fraternity president.</p>

<p>"To be honest, I remember we used to go to meetings, and it just wasn't a very serious time," Levy said. "He kept us out of war with the other fraternities, and we had good parties."</p>

<p>But watching the presidential campaign today, many of Bush and Kerry's college acquaintances say they can trace the two candidates' differing personalities back to the contrasting ways in which they were perceived on campus.</p>

<p>"Bush [was] a very likeable, friendly guy -- remembered everybody's name," said Alan Cross '66, who lived with Bush in Davenport and knew Kerry from Skull and Bones. "Kerry [was] also a friendly person and not as superficially friendly as Bush, but very concerned, very politically aware."</p>

<p>Levy said that despite all the formalities of a political career, he can still see glints of the old Delta Kappa Epsilon president on the campaign trail.</p>

<p>"In the town-meeting debate where he stood up and spoke to people, it was much more informal," Levy said. "That was really the old George Bush."</p>

<p>Those who knew Kerry, on the other hand, say that at least to some degree, Kerry is not the same man he was while he studied at Yale.</p>

<p>"The John Kerry I knew at Yale and the John Kerry that I perceive as presidential candidate are two different people," Perskie said. "I find him far more balanced, far more broad in his scope, far more mature in his thinking than either of us was then."</p>

<p>Etra, who vaguely knew Kerry through Yale Political Union events, said Kerry's drive and ambition were always clear. Even then, he was running for president, Etra said.</p>

<p>While over the course of the campaign the two candidates have faced sharp criticism on their personalities and performance, their friends from Yale insist that such accusations must be assessed with skepticism.</p>

<p>Kerry has been labeled as an elitist out of touch with the common people, but Perskie said that it is only a matter of style.</p>

<p>"For people who only look at style, it's very easy to make the mistake of pigeonholing anybody," Perskie said. "What I'm looking for at the moment is what kind of things is he talking about, what kind of things is he saying, and in those respects, as I said, I'm very pleased and encouraged to see the choices that he's making, and I think he's anything but a true elitist in substance."</p>

<p>Meanwhile, friends of Bush claim that his critics' portrayal of him as unintelligent and stubborn is not a fair one.</p>

<p>"When people say that he's not intelligent, I think they're judging on the fact that he's not one of the greatest wordsmiths of the time," Levy said. "He wasn't at the top of our class. He wasn't at the bottom. He was in the great middle like everybody else."</p>

<p>All of the alumni interviewed expressed intentions to vote for the candidate they knew better, for reasons relating to policy as well as familiarity. Some even said they are active in their pick's political campaign.</p>

<p>"I'm clearly going to vote for the president -- he's the best man at the time and unequivocally I believe he's the best man for the country," Etra said. "I also believe strongly in friendship: he's my friend, and I'm going to vote for him."</p>

<p>Peter Day '66, a Kerry supporter who lived in JE with him, expressed a similar rationale.</p>

<p>"It's sort of a gut feeling," Day said. "I think I know him well enough that if he were president and I had the opportunity to talk to him, if I disagreed, I would not hesitate to tell him that he's wrong. And I think that he's got enough character that he would listen because he'd want to know why even if he didn't agree with you. Basically, he's a sound person with a lot of integrity."</p>

<p>Etra advised all students, regardless of whom they plan to vote for, to reach out to many people at college.</p>

<p>"I think it's important to make as many friends as possible because you never know which one of them is going to become president," he said.</p>

<p>"He was in the great middle like everybody else [who wasn't at the top or bottom, that is]" :P</p>

<p>you are right unctuos - its called grade inflation, the D's of the 60's are the B's of the 21st century.<br>
and bush was a cheerleader at yale (look it up) and he also was an alcoholic. He was the president of the fraternity DKE at yale, and if you actually saw the drunken disarray that is DKE, then I am sure you would have also voted democrat.</p>

<p>No ad hominem attacks, now, Bulldog!</p>

<p>you completely missed my point about grades, bulldog. regardless of what it is now, saying that he was involved in whatever activity doesn't give him an excuse for performing poorly. and i am very aware that bush was a cheerleader; i just don't care, and i don't appreciate you arrogantly making fun of an activity because it's unconventional...what happened to the democratic party being so accepting and liberal and for the common man? he had fun in college, being president of a frat and doing what he enjoyed, whereas kerry did what he enjoyed and got worse grades. i plan on having fun in college, too, and i don't plan on being a failure in life. why don't you get off your high horse and stop being such a partisan elitist, hm? rather than say "oh my gosh, bush drank ALCOHOL in college!!!" i prefer to look at the issues. bush wins.</p>

<p>Let's not change this discussion about Bush into some blanket condemnation of Democratic liberalism. If it's unfair to call Bush an alcoholic just because he was the president of a fraternity, it's even more unfair to bash the entire Democratic party's values because of a condescending remark about cheerleading. I don't see what is inherently "partisan" about not believing that cheerleading is a serious sport - it's a personal opinion that I'm sure that many conservative people share. Just because my friends and I don't believe that pro-wrestling is a "sport" doesn't make us "partisan elitists."</p>

<p>And like bulldog, I'm more impressed by Kerry's participation in the YPU than Bush's cheerleading. Why? It's because the YPU discusses contemporary issues and problems facing America. I'm sure that Kerry gained a lot of useful knowledge while arguing his beliefs and hearing (and hopefully considering) the different opinions of other people. So yes, I'd say that Kerry's choice of extracurricular activies during college is more akin to what I'd like to see in a presidential candidate's biography. Should I look around now and make sure that I'm not trapped in an ivory tower?</p>

<p>Oh, and I doubt that bulldog would vote against Bush because of the cheerleading or DKE in college. Democrats aren't prohibitionists by necessity...</p>

<p>smartazz, good post. i was simply responding in the same manner that bulldog attacked my post with incendiary and snide remarks. there is obviously justification for either side, but i didn't appreciate his/her tone.</p>

<p>Y+h > Y+bc</p>