<p>Tell him to do a CS or applied math degree on top of it. Ideally CS but Applied math shouldn’t be hard to complete along with a bba since he has so many ap credits. </p>
<p>His degree will still say bba so he’s gonna have b school networking with a background that completely separates him from everyone else. And makes him invaluable.</p>
<p>At the very least, take Math 315 because it teaches script writing in matlab.
And cs 170/171 for java and basic algorithm writing. And the SQL class. I think 377.
They’re helpful. </p>
<p>There’s a VBA class in the b school. He should take that for sure too. </p>
<p>Those 4-5 classes are essential</p>
<p>Emory basically has a matlab course now? Sweet. I know you either have to take it at Tech or take the physics courses w/lab that make you learn it on the spot. And yes, many of the physics courses are very hard, and I wouldn’t bank on them being fun as I am not sure how cohesive or strong the undergraduate community is in physics (I think that despite being small, the comraderie in chemistry and math is much higher for some reason. But chemistry may in part benefit from both a freshman orgo. and an Oxford effect).</p>
<p>Another school that you might want to look into for Business is WUSTL. The advising and support for Business students at WUSTL is phenomenal and the student body is generally seen as collaborative and friendly. But that’s just the stereotype. The flexibility of curriculum at WUSTL is very admirable and anyone can switch in/out of the B school which is ranked No. 4 for undergrad Business by Bloomberg this year. Also, there are a number of Merit scholarships (competitive) at WUSTL that offer students full rides of half rides which I would really recommend everyone to look into.</p>
<p>My son just learned that he was wait listed for spring admission to Goyzueta. Not sure if that is a polite denial or a deferral. The app does roll over to next term (he says). Now he has to find some classes to take to fill his spring schedule. With classes only 3 credits now he needs 3 or 4 more classes (to add to Managerial Accounting and intermediate Macro.)</p>
<p>Posting a follow-up. My sophomore son was just admitted to the Goizueta BBA program off the wait-list for spring (early admission). Now he is just waiting to find out what classes he will get, since his entire spring schedule has to be redone.</p>
<p>I never noticed he was waitlisted in the first place. Did your son go above and beyond the requirements to get into the B-school and maybe took some more econ. or math courses or did he just settle for the b-school pre-reqs left over after his AP credit and then completed some easy GERs? Maybe that resulted in the waitlisting unfortunately (they may have not liked to see a talented person kind of undershoot like that. It could say something about leadership or willingness to step/stand out). Either way, thank goodness they eventually let him in. Hopefully he doesn’t end up bored to death in GBS. Many very talented students end up academically bored in business schools (yes, even elite ones). Don’t be surprised if your son says that even with 5 courses each term, it isn’t that challenging.</p>
<p>I missed this too.</p>
<p>Also, he applied to get in a semester early. </p>
<p>I bet they have to take the two year students first, and then the 1.5 year ones for the leftover spots. That’s probably why he had as much trouble as he did. But no surprise that he got in at the end.</p>
<p>This situation is why my D would only consider going to Emory under the Scholars program…which is a guarantee into the Business School. It seems so stressful to have to apply for B-school your sophomore year. And if you don’t get in, you have to change your major or leave? Not her preference. Have to see if she makes Scholars in January.</p>
<p>Uhm…there are plenty of things to do in the college (what do you mean, change major? She wouldn’t have one yet…) that can have just as great type of outcomes and prospects as the b-school. If she’s looking into absolute security, maybe not, but still. There are many routes to a career in business that do not involve a BBA and plenty of students in the college have shown it to be the case (seems a very significant portion, if not a majority, of the entrepreneurial spirit at Emory is actually outside of the BBA program as a freshmen. Wharton is certainly awesome for people with tunnel vision along with the other 4 year BBA programs). I just don’t understand why anyone would come to Emory ONLY interested in the business school when there are so many other great things. I feel almost as if they shouldn’t be applying (they should exclusively consider the other schools with business programs essentially impossible to get into). Even I were strongly interested in business and decided to come to Emory, I would do more than just fulfilling pre-reqs for the business school. I would be developing another interest (perhaps getting involved in business, economics, internships, whatever…) or perhaps further developing a talent that I already had. A decent student would not have almost everything riding on a GBS BBA admissions decision. </p>
<p>Although, it’s clearly not that risky to hedge your bets on it (because admit rate is high, especially if applying on time and not before), it’s certainly a waste of talent and perhaps time to do so. Just saying. The two years in the college (and even 4) can offer a lot even if one is interested in that sort of thing. Think about it, I think perhaps that most people in elite MBA programs did not do a BBA for undergrad. If you just view the two years in ECAS as something you “just have to deal with” to get to the grand prize, the business school. That will likely make it a less enjoyable experience. I really wouldn’t think in such almost fatalistic ways about such a scenario. That makes it sound as if she would be equivalent to a senior that was denied access to all grad. and prof. school options that they applied for. It’s simply not the same and she would have two years left. If she plays her cards right and isn’t just using ECAS to go through motions for the b-school, she’ll be fine no matter the outcome. I really dislike hearing things from prospective pre-business students like: At Emory, you “have” to do two years before going like it’s a bad thing or something similar to serving jail time. I’m sorry, but for many, the college will be a much richer experience than the business school regardless of its rank. I honestly think Emory is doing students a favor (if a student is silly enough to blindly fulfill b-school pre-reqs and GERs in a minimalist fashion and then is denied admission, that’s just too bad. A little more passion and effort would not have hurt).</p>
<p>She will have been smart enough to get into and do decently well at Emory University and other selective universities. She is more than likely capable and driven of pursuing her interests without being in the BBA program.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fundamental flaw in believing she would be competitive for Scholars (which is specifically designed to entice students away from HYPMS) but not for the BSchool - which accepts 70% of its applicants.</p>
<p>Well, that would be another thing. If some very high stats. people are already so gungho on the b-school, shouldn’t all apply specifically for the Gouizeta scholars program so that they can start the seminars as soon as they get on campus? </p>
<p>Also, I doubt a student that was remotely competitive for Scholars would have to worry about having the qualifications for a BBA slot, even today, with post-grade deflated econ. pre-reqs. I don’t think it will be difficult for scholar type students to get top 1/3 of those classes most of the time. The pre-reqs not based in the b-school are almost a joke content wise. And in addition, most scholar type students would also AP out of the math requirements (and perhaps even the intro. econ. requirements) thus carrying an even lighter courseload than most unless they deliberately choose to challenge themselves (no offense, but this is a rare feat for the pre-BBA bunch, which is perhaps the reason that many are indeed riding on the BBA admission). I feel as if the business school should start encouraging more math or econ. courses or something, especially for those who APed out of like 3-4 pre-reqs (I think there are only 4 or 5. They don’t even require intermediate econ. courses). I feel that they should also reduce admissions chances for students who cheat and forfeit the AP credits to retake the courses for an A. To promote that sort of thing at the exploratory phases of the undergraduate level is embarrassing to say the least (I think I’ve seen it with people for Calculus and I’ve seen cases where people already took econ. at a college and then retook the intro. version at Emory. Not even intermediate, but intro. And we know, that these aren’t like the pre-med courses where you can forfeit and still get a B. If you forfeit transfer credit for intro. econ or calc. at Emory, you’re almost guaranteed an A. I’m willing to bet that before the grading curve the econ. courses intentionally were very easy so as to shuttle people into the business school. It was pretty much up to financial and business stats to sort the students).</p>
<p>The first part of your second paragraph is exactly what I said.</p>
<p>I saw that she got into GTown, btw. Congratulations on that. Reminded me of:
[Gtown</a> vs. Vandy vs. UVA vs. Wake Forest vs. Emory | Wall Street Oasis](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/gtown-vs-vandy-vs-uva-vs-wake-forest-vs-emory#comments]Gtown”>Gtown vs. Vandy vs. UVA vs. Wake Forest vs. Emory | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p>Figured it’d come up eventually, so I’ll beat you to it. Emory doesn’t do very well for high finance and IB. GTown does.</p>
<p>If your daughter wants NYC, then GTown is the way to go.
But if she’s more interested in non-finance business, or a local placement (Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville, etc) or even Emory/ATL specific life, then Emory would be great.</p>
<p>I love how people think the folks at Georgetown are “bright” and the ones that went to Emory are “not that bright”. Our stats. are equivalent (despite GTown accepting a lower percentage) with both theirs and UVa’s. Brightness has nothing to do with it. It seems like pure branding and location. In addition, Georgetown also has significantly more grade inflation, so that can help them as well. I think UVa has branding and higher rigor than normal. Kind of interesting how Emory could possibly have a “better” business school than GTown or many places, yet certain companies will not target it. I don’t understand how any of this works. I can easily get why some places would target WashU, Penn, or ND and not Emory because clearly their incoming stats. say they’re brighter and they are ranked similarly or higher depending on the year. However, when schools ranked lower with an equally “bright” (or dull) student body do better with recruitment of high finance firms and IBs, I just don’t get it. Is it up to the faculty or the B-schools’ administrations to make their school a target? Seems like reputation in this field is made up of a bunch of superficial stuff (like those subprime loans that banks sold people before the crash lol. Superficial and BS is what it’s all about).</p>
<p>Proximity to NYC is a huge factor in recruiting.
UVA probably because their grad school is so good that it trickles down on the UG level.</p>
<p>Still, though, plenty of Emory grads on Wall Street. Just not as much (or as high up?) as UVA and Gtown. They’re older schools too, so that’s some of it.</p>
<p>I’m very curious to see how Emory’s upcoming decrease in admit rate (and subsequent rise in USNWR ranking?) affects its perception on the Street five years from now.</p>
<p>You think that’ll happen? A decrease in admit rate? What makes you think RD/ED2 round will go better than previous years? Also, don’t expect a rise in the rankings. Even if our stats. increase, we’ll be hitting the Vandy, ND, Rice, WashU, NU, on and on and on block of schools that are clearly impossible to pass. Notice how Vandy does not move. It’s because despite it’s huge increase in stats., it’s still basically identical to all the schools ahead of it. What Emory does have going for it ranking wise is that if it ever does catch up (if we start a good trend this year, it could happen given about that time frame of 3-5 years), it could surpass a couple of schools because we have more money (a higher endowment) than some of them. I just feel like raising the bottom 25% is really hard for Emory. All other schools are already at like 1400 (or a little higher) for ENROLLED students. Emory hasn’t even got its ADMITS there yet. Admits at everywhere else usually have like 1450-1500 as the 25% (unless you’re HYPSC and can thus admit at 1400 for bottom quartile and then expect yield the same students. Outside of tippy tops, you don’t have to “admit high and enroll lower”). It won’t happen unless Dean of Admissions actually came up with a different plan from the past 2-3 years. I’d honestly just settle for whatever he did at JHU at this point. Vanderbilt and the “1400” club of schools seems like a far reach at this point unless he wants to risk the yield some (given the amount ED students we enroll, we aren’t in a bad position to do it) and do what they and the other schools did (the admit high and enroll low model). It seems to even have worked for Georgia Tech.</p>
<p>Had to look it up.
It’s at 20 right now.
It can definitely get up to 15 or so in 3-5 years. </p>
<p>The biggest thing about Emory is that it flat out has more potential to go up than Vandy(SEC sports is the +. Nashville is the -) and ND (this school is on a downward slope imo. Religious motivations aren’t that strong in applying to school.) and even Cornell (engineering is good, but do people wanna go there if it wasn’t Ivy?) and WashU and Brown (maybe not this one since it attracts a very specific type of student) and NU (don’t know much about it though tbh). </p>
<p>It has a huge endowment and it needs to market Atlanta right. I think most people would agree that Atlanta is a top 10 destination city in the USA (career-wise and location wise for college), and they need to play to that better.</p>
<p>We have a lot of potential to shoot up. Other than USC and GTown, nobody else around us does.
Berkeley and UCLA have quotas to admit from in-state. CMU is one-dimensional. ND, Brown and Vandy and Cornell aren’t going to go much higher. </p>
<p>WUSTL, I just don’t understand. Lol. But how much higher could it go? not much IMO</p>
<p>And yea. Admit rate will be a lot lower this year. Or at least the quality would be higher.</p>
<p>WUSTL has an endowment that is very Emory like and has the SAT scores of the top 10 schools (as do almost all the schools ahead of us except NU, Cornell, Brown, ND, JHU, and Rice). Also, I’m sure the prestige of its med. center and school assists significantly in name brand and peer ranking (because it has yielded, hosted, and maybe produced Nobel Laureates). The same can be said with JHU (which actually has lower stats. than most places below it). The whole Nobel Laureate thing seems to result in a “jump” in caliber (and thus peer ranking. I’m sure that, even though UG ed is being ranked, it’s taken into account) of schools. Plus I would actually say, based upon what I see in the sciences/math (honestly, the level of this and the prestige of the professional schools is what garners a great peer review and thus higher recognition), their academic caliber is somewhere between our tier (I think between Brown/Cornell and us) of schools and the top 10 so I can see them in that position. It’s intensity doesn’t lag as badly as some of the other high stat. schools. The same could be said for NU, Dartmouth, and JHU. ND and Vandy lag badly in my opinion. The scores are high, but they only seem as intense as Emory which is strange (our scores are maybe like 50-100 points lower and yet we may be of similar or higher intensity). I used to not think that this was the case, but it kind of appears that the ranking tiers of the top schools coincidentally track closely to the academic caliber of the schools (intensity academically, amounts of Nobel Laureates, etc). I don’t think USNWR gives a care about that sort of thing, but it just so happens that it sorts out that way. Notice how I said “tiers”. The actual numbers don’t necessarily correlate well within the tiers but the tiers make sense. I have to wonder if Emory will lag badly in UG academic intensity if its stats go up. I have a feeling that it will. Kind of depends on how those “emerging areas” are implemented (such as “neuroscience”, “enhancing UG science experience”, “interdisciplinary emphasis”, and the QEP, “evidence based scholarship?”). </p>
<p>Well, I mean, I guess it’s a start that we’re actually reflecting and seeing that things could maybe better academically as opposed to assuming “It’s all good. Students smarter, Students happy, claim to be challenged, must be good!”. Normally a serious reflection is a step in the right direction that many peers who have had success in admissions lately may not be doing. It’s kind of like, they’ve figured out the admissions, next what (if anything. Some may just be happy to have the talent there. The talent will just sit around and look pretty and hopefully get into a top job, grad., or prof. program as is expected of them. Nothing special, but experience will have been “good enough” to get them that far. Most importantly, they will have had a great time)? Emory appears to be trying to tackle both issues simultaneously. It could end up beneficial if done properly. Still don’t like some of the dept. cuts, but that’s a different issue. No pain, no gain I guess.</p>
<p>Thanks for all of your input. Al I can tell you is that she has not decided where she wants to be geographically, during college or after. All I know is that she wants to major in business, and she is not sure if she wants to go to grad school or not. So choosing another major is not an option for her at this point. Hence the hesitance in the thought of having to apply again sophomore year. Her grades now are excellent, but we all know that college grades are another story, for a lot of kids,(first time away from home, curves, time management, mom not nagging), and the thought that lingers in the back of her head is what if she can’t get in. So, since other schools do not have this issue, that is why she is thinking Scholars or nothing. Not sure if she has what it takes to be admitted to the pgm, but time will tell.</p>
<p>Again, she’s like 18 (17 or something), another major is always an option no matter how she feels now (I would really change my perspective on being so intense on wanting to “major” in business and settle for “I’m interested in a career in business”. Lots of research shows that undergraduate business education is over-rated. It’s perhaps a little better at the top schools, but even there, it’s been shown to be, in many cases, a lot less stimulating than the UG ed. in other fields associated with those universities. For example, I believe CS and Math majors often do decently landing high paid jobs and possibly in the business world. All this, without throwing an intellectually stimulating undergraduate experience). I didn’t imagine myself essentially pursuing a major in chemistry (I originally planned to become another in the NBB crowd. And this was back when the program was over-rated and did not offer the courses that a true science oriented person/nerd would be interested in) when I came in and I fell in love with it. I would strongly encourage her to keep an open mind if she is talented. </p>
<p>As for b-school prospects: Does your daughter have AP credits (or expects to do well on the APs she’s enrolled in now?). If so, what are they in? It’s seriously possible that she will end up with a light courseload with only the two b-school pre-req courses graded on a curve, in which case she will likely finish top 50% (B+ minimum) and then she’ll be able to pursue whatever she wants outside of b-school pre-reqs. I honestly feel like this is better for her (not just because of admissions risks) because often those who pursue some interest in the college before going to the b-school integrate that particular talent or interest into their business pursuits. I feel that this is very important especially if there is no plan for an MBA. It simply makes it easier to develop ones own personal project as opposed to being somewhat tied to the job prospects of the business school (which are solid, don’t get me wrong). For example, people who have had interests in things like film (Campus Movie fest folks come from the BBA program for the most part) have done extremely well with their BBA education and were more versatile when they left (did not have to go straight to a firm). Again, I would really open your mind to it and stop worrying about the admissions chances. Your daughter is good. Even if her college GPA ends up lower than HS (as it should if her HS GPA was a near 4.0. If she gets a 4.0 and feels as easy if not easier than HS, there is a problem with both Emory and/or her course selection), it will still be high enough for the business school, even if she challenges herself during her ECAS years. I mean, seriously, 80% are admitted and most are perhaps at lower intensity than your daughter credential wise. The pre-bus. pre-reqs and most college classes are not like science courses where a top student stats. wise can fall flat on their behinds (many still stay on top, but many don’t because they were primarily good test takers. And if the aren’t predictable or straightforward, it doesn’t go as well as stats. would indicate. Most non-STEM college courses give straight forward exams and have less busy work than in HS. Plenty may have much higher expectations for writing assignments, but overall it’s doable. For many students coming from rigorous HS’s who pursue such fields, it may be a step down) Usually, top students stay on top in economics and other fields. These fields aren’t attempting to challenge students to an insane degree and are more easy to adapt to than STEM.</p>