<p>Hey All,</p>
<p>I really want to go to Cornell for their undergrad program, but I don't know which school to apply to. People are telling me to apply for CALS - but is that Cornell's Ivy Legue school or its state school? I'm really confused right now. If anyone could help me out, I will be very thankful.</p>
<p>the entire school is ivy league...check out their website...apply AEM in CALS if you think you have what it takes...apply as an econ major into CAS if not</p>
<p>No matter which college within Cornell you're going to, it's still Cornell...and Cornell is an Ivy league school. The only difference is the tuition if you're a New Yorker- other than that, you don't really need to worry about which colleges are state or endowed.</p>
<p>Cornell is an IVY LEAGUE School, although I think it's funny that you call it part state...(it kind of is)...the Undergraduate Business program is in CALS, which is a state funded school. It's a really tough program to get into, but it's really good. Plus it's at an IVY LEAGUE school. There are "business" related programs in just about every school in Cornell though.</p>
<p>yea. the contract colleges are all cornell and thus all ivy league. they were created by an act of the new york state legislature (as all of cornell was) for the purpose of cornell university. although the state does own all buildings and land upon which these school/colleges sit, this does not take away from the status of the institutions.</p>
<p>If you're interested in business, there are many different paths you can take within Cornell's different colleges (Hotel, ILR, CAS econ). If you just want the pure "business" major tough, go with Applied Economics and Management in CALS.</p>
<p>"which is a state funded school."</p>
<p>to clarify, the school is run and paid for by Cornell, the state just gives the school extra money since the state benefits highly from what is being taught/researched there. I just didn't want somebody to be confused and think something like "well, SUNY pays for everything for that school..."</p>
<p>"although the state does own all buildings and land upon which these school/colleges sit"</p>
<p>This is the first time I've heard of this. It seems weird that the state would own a small parcel of land right in the middle of privately established Cornell University, then only to have the buildings/land maintained and operated by Cornell.</p>
<p>"This is the first time I've heard of this. It seems weird that the state would own a small parcel of land right in the middle of privately established Cornell University, then only to have the buildings/land maintained and operated by Cornell."</p>
<p>yea. i've actually read the legislation (as much as i could) regarding/creating these schools. i'm trying to dig these up on the ny state legislature site...hopefully i'll run across it. the first time i read it was when it was listed as a resource on the cornell wikipedia site. but its since been taken down.</p>
<p>but its spelled out in the university's charter: <a href="http://www.cornell.edu/trustees/cornell_charter.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.cornell.edu/trustees/cornell_charter.pdf</a></p>
<p>also, the state of new york owns baily hall, but cornell basically holds an indefinite lease on it.</p>
<p>In addition to being an Ivy, Cornell is a Land Grant school. It all ties into the Morrell Act of 1860 something.</p>
<p>If you are really interested, you can check out the LandGrant section on the Cornell website or-
<a href="http://www.cornell.edu/landgrant/%5B/url%5D">www.cornell.edu/landgrant/</a></p>
<p>i believe all of the Ivy's applied for land grant status in their state. MIT got it for mass...</p>
<p>MIT and U Mass- Amherst are the land grant schools for Mass.</p>
<p>"to clarify, the school is run and paid for by Cornell, the state just gives the school extra money since the state benefits highly from"</p>
<p>doesn't the state do more than this? i was speaking to a professor about the differences in pay, however minor, between professors of the contract colleges and endowed colleges. he said something about the state paying the salaries. also faculty in the contract colleges (i believe one is in ilr for sure) serve on the State University of New York Senate. </p>
<p>an excerpt from the cornell university charter:</p>
<p>"The Cornell university shall have the custody and control of said property, and, as the representative of the state university trustees, shall, with whatever state moneys may be received for the purpose, administer the said college of agriculture and life sciences as to the establishment of courses of study, the creation of departments and positions, the determination of the number and salaries of members of the faculty and other employees thereof, the appointment and employment thereof, the maintenance of discipline and as to all other matters pertaining to its educational policies, activities and operations, including research work. 3. The state university trustees shall maintain general supervision..."</p>
<p>"he said something about the state paying the salaries"</p>
<p>I don't think they pay the entire salaries, if at all. It's a rather tough subject to find information on, but one thing that's certain is the fact that all of the employees are privately employed by Cornell - wouldn't seem a little odd if the state were to pay for all of them? </p>
<p>The contract employees do have a different pay scale (minor, granted) and their pension plan is slightly different, though this doesn't indicate whether or not the state pays their salaries. The water gets even cloudier by the fact that there are professors who work in/for multiple departments across campus (one of my ILR profs was also a psych prof in CAS). </p>
<p>I've asked my profs a few questions about the relationship between suny and Cornell over the years, unfortunately none of them seemed to know a dang thing about the topic. They're more in the dark than we are!</p>
<p>In the end, Cornell has control over the majority of it's university.</p>
<p>"wouldn't seem a little odd if the state were to pay for all of them?"</p>
<p>it certainly does. but then again, i'm no legal scholar and don't know all of the legal ramifications of the legislation. and given new york state politics, nothing shocks me anymore. but i think this excerpt (taken from the excerpt above) is evidence that the state does pay the salaries (at least some of it as you suggested above) of the contract professors:</p>
<p>"...whatever state moneys may be received for the purpose, administer the said college of agriculture and life sciences as to the establishment of courses of study, the creation of departments and positions, the determination of the number and salaries of members of the faculty and other employees thereof..."</p>
<p>"In the end, Cornell has control over the majority of it's university."</p>
<p>100% agreement.</p>
<p>The fact that Cornell is privately-owned yet funded and associated with the government is what makes Cornell so unique. It also benefits New Yorkers, who get to pay less tuition.</p>
<p>and it's free money that Cornell spends liberally and money that doesn't have to come from the endowment</p>