<p>Where is the Butler pride, guys? Every other college has a thread of supporters, but no one seems to want to admit that they are in Butler!
I'm an '09er from Butler, and I'm here to help you with the five stages of Butler grief:
1) Denial - this seems to be where you guys are right now. After being shown towering gothic structures on the campus tour, you refuse to believe that your dorm for next year will be a 60s "modern" monstrosity scheduled for demolition.
2) Anger - you will begin to have dreams of dynamiting Witherspoon Hall or filling the Rocky common room with skunks in an attempt to even out the colleges.
3) Bargaining - you call up the school administrators, promising future alumni contributions if they change your college assignment.
4) Depression - you get to campus and sullenly tack posters to your brick walls while your friends up campus compare how many gargoyles their buildings have.</p>
<p>But most importantly:
5) Acceptance - you realize that Butler isn't that bad after all! You're closer to the center of campus, giving you easy access to Frist and classes, and even Forbes is only a short walk away. Some of the dorms are actually pretty nice (1915 and Bloomberg) and even the others aren't below average for college campuses in general. The Butler college master (Prof. Kulkarni) is an awesome guy who makes a special effort to spend time in the dining hall and on the quad, and the Wu Cafe is a great place for late-night snacks.</p>
<p>Moral of the story - it could be much, much worse. You'll all get to stage 5 sooner or later :)</p>
<p>What will happen next year when my dorm is razed for new construction? Will we be transfered to the new college facilityfor several years? My understanding is that it will take at least two years to rebuild Butler.</p>
<p>DS has been assigned to Butler. We didn't know to be disappointed. He was thrilled as it was close to the science, physic and math buildings, his areas of interest. Also close to the football field and track as he is an athlete. Close to Frist.</p>
<p>He also requested a single and was given that as well. The actual architecture of a building is irrelevant to him. Made no difference in his college choice in April either.</p>
<p>DD is in Butler, 1942 room 325 with 5 roommates. We're trying to find out if this is a suite and if so, what the room arrangements will be. Is there a common room, do they have their own bathroom, etc. She stayed in Butler for April Hosting, so she knows they are not the most attractive dorms on campus, but as a BSE, she's happy that the engineering quad is not too far. She's also always pulled for the underdog, so I'm sure she'll take great pride in defending Butler!!</p>
<p>haha, compared to many colleges butler isnt bad, but many go to princeton expecting to live in a gothic dorm with large spacious rooms. Butler has large rooms (especially their singles, which are the largest on campus), but its not gothic architecture. THe outside appearance of the buildings are rather dull and unattractive, and some of the dorms have brick walls inside the room (meaning you cant tack things on the wall, but you can tape). its not terrible, but its not the best. its location is fine. but its definitely not the worst...forbes addition is the worst.</p>
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What will happen next year when my dorm is razed for new construction? Will we be transfered to the new college facilityfor several years? My understanding is that it will take at least two years to rebuild Butler.
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I dont think theyve decided which dorms to open for butler but in the past (when they renovated hamilton and holder upcampus) they just moved students into other buildings. when mathey's section was closed this year, edwards (an upper class dorm) became part of mathey</p>
<p>OhMother, check the other thread. I answered your question.</p>
<p>I hear Butler has a great community and great food, despite the non-Gothic buildings. I'll also be a BSE, so that'll be an advantage for me as well.</p>
<p>The details are still very sketchy, but a possible guess is that all those on the Butler quad will be transferred to Whitman, which should be done by then.</p>
<p>I wonder if the lack of Butler students on CC is just random or if fewer students are actually getting assigned to Butler? I would be very surprised if that were true, but I'm beginning to wonder...</p>
<p>@Kat - some people are disappointed that they get assigned to Butler since it isn't in the "traditional" part of campus with gothic buildings, Nassau Hall, Firestone library, etc. However, as I mentioned at the end of my first post, everyone gets over this pretty quickly and realizes that Butler is actually great in a lot of ways. Of course, the up-campus students like to poke fun at the Butler/Wilson students, but when they show up for Physics 10 minutes late we have to chuckle.</p>
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I dont think theyve decided which dorms to open for butler but in the past (when they renovated hamilton and holder upcampus) they just moved students into other buildings. when mathey's section was closed this year, edwards (an upper class dorm) became part of mathey
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Right - this situation is a little different, though, since five whole buildings will be out of commission (~400 students?). Whitman is supposed to be very nice, so it would be cool for the Butlerites if they put them there.</p>
<p>It would be soo awesome if we were all transferred to Whitman in Fall 2007. This</a> article says that "The current scenario calls for Lourie-Love, 1922, 1940, 1941 and 1942 halls to be razed starting in the summer of 2007."</p>
<p>what current rcas have been told (not me, but friends) is that butler is currently shrinking. Also, all of ellipse will be given to butler the year that the quad is razed. 1915, walker, and i think lourie love are not being razed either. Thus, the rumor is that butler will be made small enough to fit into those spaces, and will continue to exist while the butler quad is being demolished</p>
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what current rcas have been told (not me, but friends) is that butler is currently shrinking. Also, all of ellipse will be given to butler the year that the quad is razed. 1915, walker, and i think lourie love are not being razed either. Thus, the rumor is that butler will be made small enough to fit into those spaces, and will continue to exist while the butler quad is being demolished
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So there was a pattern! A couple comments, though:
1) Won't this leave a lot of rooms empty this year?
2) I'm pretty sure that lourie love is coming down (see pictures from billyum's article)
3) Won't that leave Whitman totally unoccupied for a year?</p>
<p>Yeah, but since the question is whether or not a lot of upperclassmen are even going to draw into Whitman, the University can take measures to allocate rooms for both Whitman and Butler in Whitman. It's a huge dorm (if you ever walk by it on campus, you'll be amazed since the skeleton (and almost half of the full exterior) of the college is complete). Students have been debating as to who out of the upperclassmen will really even be given a chance to draw into it, since four colleges are competing for one dorm: Whitman, Forbes (which is the 2-year college paired with it), Butler (being razed), and Wilson (which will have no Butler to go to for the last two years). And since the University hasn't expanded classes to the target size for a 5100-student university, there'll be space.</p>
<p>Though it would be a little strange to move upperclassmen over before underclassmen, they may try to entice upperclassmen to get the 4-year colleges running by offering them brand-new rooms and dining halls. I would guess that ANY of the upperclassmen would be given a shot - not really fair if some people have a 4-year option and some don't. Maybe they'll see what the upperclass demand is before allocating underclassmen rooms. Then again, that fact that Butler may be already shrinking means that they probably already have a plan.</p>
<p>I found this</a> article that talks about the 4-year Residential College plan.</p>
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<li>Entering freshmen should continue to be assigned randomly to colleges and will remain in their assigned college for two years. </li>
<li>Rising juniors who reside in either college in a pair should have equal preference in drawing into the four-year college. They should be expected but not required to remain there for two years. </li>
<li>Preference in room draw for the four-year college should be given first to rising seniors already living in the college; second, to rising juniors already living in the college and in the paired college; third, to rising juniors in other colleges; and fourth, to rising seniors living outside the college. The maximum size for groups of rising juniors and seniors drawing together into a four-year college should be eight. </li>
<li>Rooms for juniors and seniors should be spread throughout the college, but should be clustered to permit draw groups to live in the same area. Upperclass rooms should primarily be large singles and doubles (one to three rooms), with a smaller number of quads (five rooms). Bathrooms should be located within upperclass suites. </li>
<li>Suites for graduate students will be dispersed throughout the college. </li>
<li>The facilities of the four-year colleges must be made maximally appealing in order to attract a representative cross-section of the student population.
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<p>As for next year's incoming Freshmen, let me get this straight. Will they be placed randomly into two year colleges at first, then after their sophomore year, they would decide whether to continue in the residential college system, in the 2-year college's paired 4-year college?</p>
<p>If so, then next year's incoming Freshmen wouldn't be in the running for space in Whitman in Fall 2007.</p>