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<p>Community colleges have absolutely no grade inflation though, with the average grade being somewhere from 2.5 to 2.8 depending on the college. The president’s list requires a 3.5 which fewer than 15% of the students have.</p>
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<p>I think there’s always a choice.</p>
<p>I know this isn’t a popular or particularly “politically correct” thing to say.</p>
<p>But could part of the problem possibly be the large amount of people who are using the public services, and yet not paying taxes?</p>
<p>I am NOT trying to cause a fight, and I am NOT trying to offend anyone. And please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. But it seems like that is only adding to the problem, and there is probably more that could be done to relieve that program.</p>
<p>Also, has anyone heard about the governor wanting to let about 45k people out of jail and then lay off a bunch of policemen “because it will save CA money”?</p>
<p>Does no one else see the problem there?</p>
<p>I mean, I suppose it depends on the crime they’re in prison for. But somehow that seems like a huge mistake to me.</p>
<p>As long as it’s only non-violent offenders and they are given community service hours and rehab if they were in for drug abuse it’s fine.</p>
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<p>First of all, this is not the community college forum. Most people define a school by its Freshman admittance. In case you didn’t notice, the average GPA at UCSC of incoming freshmen is like a 3.8, followed by around a 3.6 for UCR… these stats are far and above those at the cal states and pretty close to the mid tier UCs. </p>
<p>Also, I thank you for pointing out my logic that we might as well close down Davis and UCSD as well since you only need a 3.0 to gain admittance to these schools too. It is not like UCSC, UCR, and UCM are the only UCs that accept transfers with a 3.0. </p>
<p>You have a very strong opinion about schools I am sure you know little about. You chose to go to Community College (just a guess) because you didn’t get in to to your top choice or to save money or whatever, but some people may actually choose to go to UCSC for reasons that may floor you… such as the beautiful campus. I am one of them. </p>
<p>And btw, I could care less about rankings and I pretty much think they are all garbage, but people like you treat USNEWS like the bible. If some dude printing the magazine told you UCSC was ranked top 50 this year, you would lay off the school. I just posted the Forbes rankings to make the point that some people think the UCs are more similar to one another in rankings than USNEWS does. UCSC being ranked within 3 spots of the mid tier UCs gives a different perspective than is commonly seen on CC, and ultimately shows that no ranking system is ever going to get it ‘right.’</p>
<p>"close those stupid UC’s down.</p>
<p>Riverside, Merced, and Santa Cruz, that is."</p>
<p>sir I find this comment as the most ignorant I have ever heard. Why on gods green earth would you close UCR which saved the American Citrus Industry, UCSC which has world renowned marine science program , and UCM which has high expectation. I dont see how this UCs are “stupid” I think UCR should use you for medical testing in their school of medicine or make you eat an orange that will mutant you. Our UCSC can use your teeth to test them at their dental school our better yet feed you to sharks. better yet Merced should strand you in the sierra to see the psychological that the wilderness has on a ■■■■■■ oh wait ppl with that are ■■■■■■■■ think better than you.</p>
<p>“better yet Merced should strand you in the sierra to see the psychological that the wilderness has on a ■■■■■■ oh wait ppl with that are ■■■■■■■■ think better than you”</p>
<p>honestly?</p>
<p>Cali Trumpet-</p>
<p>It seems fitting that you argue so ferociously and you happen to attend one of the schools i’m bagging on. Regardless, my point was simply that I don’t think we should cut funding at Berkeley (the nations #1 public university) or UCLA for that matter, in order to keep the lower tiered UC’s alive. Since when does California need freaking 10 top universities? It’s moronic. No other state comes close. Going to a UC has become a almost a right, rather then a privilege. Every year the best and the brightest from all over the country come to Berkeley and UCLA, however, if funding drops and these schools no longer have the prestige to attract the top students, well, then California truly suffers; and for what? UCR and UCSC?</p>
<p>a where do you expect of placing the 40,000 student within UCR and UCSC. All other UCs are overburden</p>
<p>Out of state schools, are maybe add a few cal states, they’re cheap to run. I honestly believe that’s reasonable. UC’s USED to be for the best and brightest. Not everyone should be able to get in.</p>
<p>^Are you actually a CA resident? </p>
<p>Because if you are, you’re not paying attention, and if you’re not, you don’t know what you’re talking about.</p>
<p>UCs are NOT easy to get into, even with the 3.0 CC thing. There were several kids at my high school who had several APs, 4.2 GPAs, and excellent ECs, and yet were rejected from UCs. Including UCR and UCSC.</p>
<p>Stop worrying about rankings; they’re all a bunch of bologna.</p>
<p>Rankings are not processed meat. I’ll agree, you can’t judge a university only on it’s rank, but there is a significant differences between Berkeley and UCSC and UCR. And if you understand that, then well, I don’t know what to tell you.</p>
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Newsflash: There are plenty of undergrads at Santa Cruz and Merced who are vastly more intelligent than you. There’s also plenty more who are less so, depending on your criteria. It takes time, money, and people to turn a public university into a powerhouse. Give those to the lower UCs and CSUs and you’ll most definitely see some changes. For the time being, they’re part of California’s higher education system and plenty of people who go there love it and want to learn there. Saying all UCs need to have international reputations like Cal, UCLA, and UCSD is absolutely stupid because reputations have a lot to do with the research that they produce. Primarily undergrad universities just don’t pump so many millions into every field, yet as said before, Santa Cruz has some great programs in marine science and physics.</p>
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<p>I do understand that. But it’s not quite as significant as you make it out to be. UCR and UCSC are both excellent schools in their areas. Guess what? There are areas where UCLA and Cal don’t excel as well. No school can be excellent in every field.</p>
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<p>News flash: The Cal States are struggling as well. </p>
<p>As for OOS schools: Really? </p>
<p>Most kids go to CSUs because they’re affordable. Do you honestly think it’s feasible for the state to shove them out the door because they can’t accommodate them?</p>
<p>It’s ridiculous. My family has lived in CA for at least 4 generations. You can’t tell me that I shouldn’t have access to an affordable higher education in California.</p>
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It does depend on the crime. Remember the stupid “3 strikes” initiative which the voters so eagerly passed? Well, the result was an explosion in the prison population – thousands and thousands of people locked up for decades for relatively petty crimes, especially crimes of drug possession. That sucked up ALOT of tax money, and the voters are absolutely adamant about not paying more taxes. We have painted the lawmakers and the governor into a corner on this and many other issues.</p>
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Are you willing to pay more taxes to fund education, cops, and all the other things we want? A majority of California voters have made it crystal-clear that increased taxes are not an option. Without tax revenues, how do you propose that we fund these services?</p>
<p>BTW, as a Californian, I share your frustration. But the problem lies with us and our abuse of the prop/initiative system. As long as voters are allowed to pass specific laws, they will generally vote for things that sound good to them, without considering how those services will be paid for. And voters will almost never approve the taxes that are necessary to pay for those services. In fact, CA voters have hog-tied the state by voting to require a 2/3 vote in the Assembly to increase taxes, a practical impossibility. As I stated above, we the voters have created this mess.</p>
<p>^I’m not disagreeing with you in that the voters have played a massive role in creating the problem. It just seems like there has to be other steps we can take that don’t involve this much of a cut to education.</p>
<p>I wish that were true. All of the easy fixes have been done; we’re now forced to look at really painful alternatives. Virtually every program in the state is suffering the same massive budget cuts that education is.</p>
<p>Except, of course, the government. God forbid anyone do anything to make their lives more difficult.</p>
<p>No, I’m not bitter.</p>
<p>Many government workers have had their pay cut by almost 15%; that would certainly be a hardship for me. The few government agencies that are expanding are those that deal with the fallout from the current economy; for example, the Unemployment Department.</p>
<p>Save your bitterness for the voters who bought the crock that we can have all kinds of expensive services without ever having to pay for them. That doesn’t work in our personal lives for very long, and it doesn’t work for government either. But we believed it anyway, and voted for it.</p>
<p>This is exactly why I think the majority of voters are complete idiots</p>
<p>They voted yes on some stupid speed train system recently, even though the state doesn’t have the money for it</p>
<p>and voted down EVERY SINGLE PROPOSITION that would have saved the state money.</p>
<p>total idiots</p>
<p>Also voted to fund $10 Billion for stem cell research they can’t afford. Maybe they were planning for the state to take out a home equity loan just like they did to continue their massive personal spending. How’s that working out BTW? House is now underwater $200K, shame. But you still have the $60,000 kitchen–for a little while anyway. Maybe you can sleep in the boat or the RV.</p>