<p>i have many of these "lower breed" asians in my CSU classes. many of these cro magnon and neandrathal asians come from elite high schools and have admit letters from places like stanford and berkeley. but these "lower breed" asians choose a local cal state because of family bonds since that is a cultural phenomenon among these "lower breed" asians that mike knows so intimately. one example is a student named xiao ping. 4.3 high school GPA, national merit finalist, staying at home to help take care of ailing grandma from PRC. going to "lower breed" cal state school. definitely not very intelligent.</p>
<p>So essentially what you are saying is that your class is PREDOMINANTLY filled with such high caliber students that on average your students (as a whole) would be on par with Stanford students (as a whole)? Give me a break. I hardly doubt the average CSU admit was a 4.3gpa national merit student. Yes, there are exceptions but the are the outliers. Second, if he is in southern CA and such a great student why pick a CSU when UCLA, UCSD,and even UCI is near his home. Or if in Northern California why not go to Berkeley or UC Davis even. UC schools are not that much more expensive and considering the significant amount of prestige differential between CSU schools why not go there instead?</p>
<p>Don't waste your time speaking with NextMikeSays--
He is an anti-CSU troll, who is still in high school and considers talking on vault.com boards as networking.</p>
<p>mike, you need to study a book called a dictionary. even my first grade daughter does not twist the word "many" into your absurdly capitalized "predominantly" to make your case.</p>
<p>and any elementary school kid also would doubt, in your own words, that the "average" CSU admit is a national merit finalist with a 4.3 GPA since this is not an "average" student at any college anywhere. unless you want to also change the meaning of the word "some" into "average" as well and expect anybody to believe you.</p>
<p>third, xiao ping is a girl not a guy as you maintain who lives in rowland heights, nowhere near enough to any schools you might deem worthy, in a "lower breed" chinese community that you claim to know with a high degree of expertise--so much so that you can't even identify one's gender.</p>
<p>and ask a UC student how many more thousand dollars they spend over 4-5 years versus a CSU student to see if they agree it's "not that much more expensive."</p>
<p>finally, of course everybody who knows anything agrees unanimously that the weakest UC is far, far better than the best CSU in "prestige differential." that's why thousands of UC admits like Giants each year say no thanks and go to a CSU anyway. but maybe he like "all" are "lower breed" asians who don't know any better?</p>
<p>now let me get back to my "lower breed" wife with the Ph.D. from Claremont so that i might further share your latest strokes of brilliance.</p>
<p>It seems like most of the CSUs aren't very strong academically, but the best of the pack, at least with academics, seem to be (after SLO, in no particular order) Cal Poly SLO, Sonoma State, Humboldt, San Francisco, and San Jose. I'd guess Cal Poly Pomona is pretty good too, but I don't really know. I've heard SDSU isn't great academically but it's only as selective as it is because of the location. And the reason why they reject so many people is because so many people apply there who don't meet CSU admissions requirements. One you're at a certain level, like a 3.0 GPA average and a 1700 SAT, you're pretty much an automatic admit. Chico - ehh. People only really want to go there because it's a 24-hour-party far away from everything else. It's supposed to be a big STD factory too. Fullerton and Long Beach are strong in music/film/communications, I don't know about the rest of their programs. Sonoma State isn't very well known but it's on a smaller scale than other CSUs and some of the best teachers I've ever had have come from their school of education. They also have a great music department from what I hear. I live near Sonoma State so it probably sounds like I'm biased, but if the place was total crap I'd admit to it.</p>
<p>You are wrong about San Diego State..the average statistics of someone they accepted was a 3.75 and a 1200 SAT (I'm not sure what it is on the new scale). Plus all my teachers have great crudentials (they almost all have doctorial degrees from tier 1 schools). I've had zero complaints with the academics from freshmen year out. I'll compile a short list of my professors qualifications for you, starting from freshmen year.</p>
<p>Latin - Univ. Washington - Doctorial Degree, taught at UW.</p>
<p>Geography - Doctorial Degree Columbia University</p>
<p>But as far as my upper div finance teachers go, they're all pretty much cream of the crop, you can go look on the website. SO THE LOCATION ALSO PROVIDES US WITH SOME GREAT PROFESSORS AS WELL. So we're only good academically because of our location as well.</p>
<p>i'll admit, i used to think cal states were just for UC rejects. I had this view mostly based on personal experience and the stigma of going to a Cal state because of high school (went to a competitive HS in So. Cal). As a senior I didn't even think about applying to any cal states because i figured i wouldn't go there anyways. However, after going on this board and looking into some of the programs, i have to admit there are some pretty decent ones. Fullerton/SDSU is really good at accounting, SLO engineering and lots of other Cal states have great nursing programs. I realized that some cal states are actually pretty decent schools. However, i do have low opinons on some of the other cal states such as CSULA (stayed there for a couple days) and cal poly pomona (whats so great about this school?!)</p>
<p>and if i had to guess, drj teaches at fullerton or pomona.</p>
<p>"i'll admit, i used to think cal states were just for UC rejects."</p>
<p>Interestingly, so did I. Then I did some research and eventually attended a CSU as a non-UC reject. When I got there, I found out that 99% of the students I met were admitted to UC's (usually davis or SB). I got a great education and now work on Capitol Hill. Not bad for half the price of UC.</p>
<p>I have never heard rumor about UC Riverside will be demoted to Cal State Riverside. It will never happen. UC is supposed to accepte the top 12.5% of Calif students, but that does not mean the top 12.5% go to UCB or UCLA, if the top few percents goes to UCB or UCLA, those the ones barely make the 12.5% has to go somewhere in the UC system. Then the state adds the new rule that the top 4% of any school can go to UC. This means that some of these top 4% does not even make top 12.5% in the state, some even by a wide margin. So you need a UCR and UCM to take these students, especially since UCSC is getting better.</p>
<p>I'm quite sure that from the name "Xiao" that the average american is able to recognize the gender from that name with the same degree of accuracy as a Jennifer, Sarah, or Michelle because it is that OBVIOUS. </p>
<p>I don't doubt the CSU have some great programs like accounting/nursing which many UCs do not have. But in terms of the caliber of students in the science/engineering with the exception of Caly Poly Slo, that the average SDSU engineering student is no where near what an average UC Berkeley engineering student is academically. If you did a school swap between the 2 students, I bet you'd find the UC Berkeley student being in the upper tier at SDSU while the SDSU student will struggle to be average at Berkeley.</p>
<p>"I'm quite sure that from the name "Xiao" that the average american is able to recognize the gender from that name with the same degree of accuracy as a Jennifer, Sarah, or Michelle because it is that OBVIOUS."</p>
<p>The word Xiao means "little" and does not denote gender in any way.</p>
<p>one of the most common names chinese parents give to their children, similar to the "little joe" character from bonanza reruns. thus, xiao xue...little snowflake...xiao yue...little rainfall...typically but not always you can tell the gender by the second name. since mike is such an expert on almost everything as you can tell by his "lower breed" insights i guess i assumed.</p>
<p>glad the cal states have engendered some respect from you, hobo. and yes, we have discussed the relative "tiers" of the cal state campuses many times prior given that SLO is no more like CSUDH than is UCR anything like UCB. that said, every campus has at least one or two good programs, with the best ones like SLO having strength across the board. finally, pomona is among the best in the system (its cal poly sister reigns supreme) with a national ranking of number two in HRT, the best of any major/school on any campus in the system. its weakness is its location, forced to serve weak high schools in its immediate area.</p>
<p>there is a difference between having an impacted program and being an impacted campus. there are many impacted programs around the system, but as i understand it there is no entire campus that is impacted. san luis probably comes closest, as the ag school there always is looking for warm bodies to sleep with their cows and pigs.</p>