<p>In light of the state budget crisis in California, have the opportunity for non-residents seeking admission to CSU declined? What are the chances today for a OOS to be admitted to California Polytechnic State University? My nephew is interested Cal Poly Pomona's very competitive Aerospace Engineering program. I've read that the entire university has been designated as an "impacted campus." meaning that undergraduate admission is very limited and that California residents are given priority status for particular majors.</p>
<p>With all this and the money troubles, should non-residents even apply to CSU schools?</p>
<p>Engineering is a competitive major at CPP so hopefully your nephew has pretty good stats. I think it’s a little harder for OOS to be admitted, but CPP isn’t as difficult as the UC’s. (My son got in for Mechanical Engineering with a 3.55 gpa and a 28 ACT and he’s a resident of CA). The main thing is that tuition is expensive for non-residents. Your nephew would need to consider how he would pay for it and whether or not the amount of money is even worth it. Good luck to him!</p>
<p>A CSU is still a relative bargain for OOS students at about $30K, less if he lives off campus.</p>
<p>I haven’t read how they are dealing with OOS students now but it stands to reason they would be taking the same approach as UCs which are taking many more than before for the extra dollars. Do keep in mind they will give no aid beyond the federal.</p>
<p>“impacted” campus means local community residents get priority. All others, including OOS and Calif residents in other parts of the State, are held to an higher admission standard.</p>
<p>Also note that the Cal States, including Pomona, are primarily commuter campuses.</p>
<p>bluebayou, do you know if when you are admitted to an impacted major if you get any priority in registering for prerequisites regardless of whether you are in or out of state?</p>
<p>My wife works for CSU. And according to her, CSU, like all the UC’s are bending their back to gain oos students for better tuition yields. So unless you have a real low gpa and sat, it should not be a problem to gain admission, impacted or non-impacted students. And because of that, CSU are trying to build more residental halls and other facilities. In her school where she works, the new cafiteria was finished two years ago and the new gym facility is going to open end of the year, and we are moving to a house acroos the campus to take advantage of the new gym. :)</p>
<p>On campus, there are more international students than ever before, mostly from the Far East, like Chinese and Korean are the main languages at the cafiteria now.</p>
<p>As far as I know, all registration is based on standard priority: some campuses allow Honors students to register first with athletes, then it goes to seniors in the major, seniors not in major, juniors in the major…</p>
<p>Since there are so few OOS kids at most Cal States, I would be extremely surprised if they gave they any registration prerqs – the computers systems just aren’t configured that way.</p>
<p>As a point of reference, my son was admitted to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo as OOS in 2009. It was into the highly competitive computer science program. His GPA was WAY below the average accepted student. I am convinced that he was accepted because they are trying to up the OOS students, as they actually pay the full price of their tuition. Honestly, looking at the numbers, it seemed more likely that he’d be admitted to the Ivy League school that he applied for than CPSLU. But in this time of tight budgets, I’m pretty sure that money talks. We’d heard a rumor that they upped their OOS acceptances that year by 20%.</p>
<p>Thanks bluebayou, why I wondered was that I know my son could get in to a CSU but currently he is interested in Industrial design. It is an impacted major. The first year has a full load of required classes you need to complete first in order to go on. A person could spend an extra year or more trying to finish their degree if they have trouble getting into their classes.</p>
<p>Cal Poly Pomona has a 4-year graduation “pledge” where they will guarantee to an incoming student that he/she will graduate in 4 years. This used to be just for engineering majors but it seems like it might be available to anyone.</p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO will guarantee that if you take your courses in the quarter designated on your major’s flowchart, a seat will be available for you in that course. So for example as a 2nd year EE major, you would be guaranteed enrollment in the 2 circuit analysis courses in Q1 and Q2. This is for engineering majors only (as far as I know) and courses outside the department aren’t guaranteed to be available. The non-engineering courses are typically GEs that can be taken in any order.</p>
<p>It’s hard to imagine how the relatively small number of OOS students, at $12K/year, could have a very large impact on campus revenue. Let’s assume Cal Poly SLO doubles its OOS enrollment, from approx 275 (7%) freshmen to 550 (14%). At $12K/year, that’s an increase in tuition of around $340K. Not trivial, but surely a drop in the bucket relative to the college’s budget.</p>
<p>Having more out of state students isn’t going to solve your budget woes on it’s own. It’s just part of the solution. There have been some hard choices made, including fee increases on the CSU and UC campuses. Teachers have been cut, course sections have been eliminated, maintenance has been reduced. Adding more seats or getting more revenue for those students who will pay more makes sense from a financial standpoint. </p>
<p>Multiply those small increases by 23 campuses, and you start talking about some bigger savings that will save professors jobs and keep class sections open.</p>
<p>Don’t underestimate the fees for the simple act of applying for admission, either. $55 x how many thousands of students?</p>
<p>" At $12K/year, that’s an increase in tuition of around $340K. Not trivial, but surely a drop in the bucket relative to the college’s budget."</p>
<p>At CPSLU, the fees for instate tuition are $6780/year. OOS students add $248/credit. So for 3 quarters, only taking 15 credits a quarter, they are paying an additional $11,160. OOS students are paying almost triple the rate of in state students. I agree with SL, multiply that by many campuses, and you’re talking some bucks there.</p>
<p>Over 2 million in revenue for the 2009 school year. For the SLO campus, alone.</p>
<p>No essays, self reported transcripts that you type into their system directly, no personal recs. How many admissions employees are handling those electronic apps? How much in postage?</p>
<p>Not chump change, at all. </p>
<p>Those campuses that have impacted majors and increased apps (nearly all of them) are facing more students applying for fewer spots. Nice revenue generator, helps with increasing yield and improving rankings, wouldn’t you say?</p>
<p>I am not sure if you’d be interested in watching this long and boring video of the academic senate at Cal Poly Pomona. They for a fact are talking about accepting more OOS and International students for the extra revenue. Not only would they pay the extra fees but they will also be required to live on campus for the first year. OOS and International students are very lucrative for the CSUs, especially during these budget woes. BTW, Pomona is not the commuter campus of old. They now have nearly 4,000 beds on campus, and since they are also now shrinking due to budget cuts, nearly 20 percent will be living on campus.</p>