<p>FTW?!?!?!?!?!?!?
ok. i guess i better go to the community college then.</p>
<p>Not to jinx anyone but to make us feel better...not all kids with perfect SATs get in. I think 30% of 750 plus scorers are admitted, while 20% of the 690+ are admitted. Also 40% of valedictorians are admitted while 30 or so % of 3.8+ GPA are admitted. I think E/C, difficulty of classes, and also the applicant's personality as shown in the essay play a huge role.</p>
<p>can someone fill me in on transfers from SEAS to Wharton? I've heard that it is really much easier than directly applying to Wharton. Will you get automatically denied if the admissions council can see that this is your alterior motive in trying to "get your foot in the door" by applying to a relatively easy SEAS at penn?</p>
<p>it's not so easy to maintain the 3.8-3.9 minimum gpa required for transfer to wharton, but if you can keep your grades stellar, then you'll be able to transfer / get dual degree without any hassle.</p>
<p>is it reasonable to be able to transfer, though? Do a lot fo people apply just to transfer? I really find that Upenn's wharton & M&T program have 1000x more prestige than penn engineering</p>
<p>not very many apply to transfer; more apply for the dual degree because it lies more in line with their interests.</p>
<p>of note: the average gpa for the engineers of the class of 2009, as they entered their sophomore year this fall, was approximately a 3.2 (compared to a 2.8 over all of seas).</p>
<p>thus, getting that 3.8-3.9 isn't quite so easy (and keep in mind that at penn, classes have greater competition, and not everyone can get an a or even a b, due to the curves)</p>
<p>wow....this is sounding a hell of a lot harder than i had initially expected.
Are courses at SEAS really that hard? How would you compare them to my courseload...i've taken
AP bio, chem, physics C (mechanics & E&M), calc BC, calc III & linear algebra, history, stats
Are tehse SEAS courses a lot harder than APs?</p>
<p>Does having a good chance at being accepted into Wharton or M&T sophomore year imply that you absolutely have to have the toughest possible courseload freshman year?</p>
<p>magnetschool, not to be ****y or anything, but I cant believe you are using SEAS as a backdoor to wharton when other kids are applying ED to seas FOR seas. Honestly, if you get in, just know that you also put one more kid that actually wanted to go there for engineering, out on the doorstep of another school.
And yes, to answer a bit about your concerns, seas cirriculum is always the toughest, no matter what school you go to, and it only makes sense to be that way. And I would expect there is a reason Penn laughs at high school AP courses...(maybe, because they are a joke compared to IVY LEAGUE courses of the same nature?) You cant really expect to go to Penn, and recieve the same level of education freshman year as you did in your high school courses, can you??</p>
<p>I seriously want to go into engineering also. The thought of double majoring came into my mind but I would rather hurry up and finish my undergrad and then start grad school. If you wanna get a really good job you need a grad degree.</p>
<p>I didnt mean on being inconsiderate by using SEAS as a backdoor, all i was asking was if its a possibility, and what the procedure is for getting transferred. Do you need to be at the very top of your class? Or is it just have a GPA greater than 3.6 and you'll be accepted cuz not many ppl apply for transfer...?</p>
<p>in general, ap courses are not as difficult as the introductory courses here at penn.</p>
<p>moreover, our math courses are broken down differently; for example, in all likelihood, the calculus 3 course you're taking now is the equivalent of math 114, penn's calculus 2, not math 240, penn's calculus 3.</p>
<p>as previously answered, admissions to wharton / m+t transfer is more or less solely a question of gpa.</p>
<p>the cutoff for wharton transfer this year was a 3.8, with m+t transfer being a 3.9. therefore, having just a 3.6 wouldn't cut it - being close to or at the top of the class is more appropriate.</p>
<p>ED at SEAS:</p>
<p>720 M/700 CR/ 710 W
33 ACT
103/100 W. 2/103
SAT IIs: 780 US History, 760 Math II
APs: US History - 5, Calc AB - 5, World History - 5, Chem - 4</p>
<p>Decent ECs.</p>
<p>wow it seems a lot of us have very similar stats. Does penn also look at grades leniently if you were under certain circumstances such as magnet centers with hard teachers?</p>
<p>can anyone give me some insight as to why Wharton is so friggin tough....and did i make the right choice by applying to SEAS early if i get rejected from Jerome Fisher early decision?</p>
<p>babieangel, i'm assuming you're applying to M&T?</p>
<p>Transfer is not easy. You pretty much have to avoid getting B's or B+'s because the minimum cutoff is like an A- average. And if you just load yourself with simple classes to try to make the cutoff more easily, you'll get raped when you have to play catch-up in the later years, which is arguably harder and more stressful, and your GPA will probably go straight down the crapper. Take what you actually want to take, and if things fit your interests, consider the transfer. But don't just transfer into Wharton/M&T just for the sake of prestige. </p>
<p>You'll find that at Penn, the material of high school was pretty tame. High school Calc III is definitely not Penn Calc III. Engineering classes tend to be pretty difficult (hence the comparatively lower GPA's), unless you love what you're doing (I'm not an engineering student but I love computer science and math, and that stuff is <em>really</em> relaxing/easy/fun for me). Stuff is easier when you actually enjoy it. Hence why I am sucking at accounting right now... I find it so boring and I can't get myself to care about it.</p>
<p>Regardless, there is nothing wrong with keeping your options open -- this is why the option to transfer exists in my opinion, but just make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.</p>
<p>its almost a given fact that Wharton grads tend to make a lot more money than SEAS grads...this kinda is a motivating factor</p>
<p>"its almost a given fact that Wharton grads tend to make a lot more money than SEAS grads..."</p>
<p>What is the basis for that statement? Anyone from the College or SEAS can go into the business field.</p>
<p>indeed, i-banking and consulting firms and the like welcome college and seas graduates with open arms, which is why many graduates from sas / seas do go into business.</p>