Can more graduated seniors do "actual results" threads?

i’ll just post it here:
“Poison Ivy”

AMERICAN universities like to think of themselves as engines of social justice, thronging with “diversity”. But how much truth is there in this flattering self-image? Over the past few years Daniel Golden has written a series of coruscating stories in the Wall Street Journal about the admissions practices of America’s elite universities, suggesting that they are not so much engines of social justice as bastions of privilege. Now he has produced a book—“The Price of Admission: How America’s Ruling Class Buys Its Way into Elite Colleges—and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates”—that deserves to become a classic.

Mr Golden shows that elite universities do everything in their power to admit the children of privilege. If they cannot get them in through the front door by relaxing their standards, then they smuggle them in through the back. No less than 60% of the places in elite universities are given to candidates who have some sort of extra “hook”, from rich or alumni parents to “sporting prowess”. The number of whites who benefit from this affirmative action is far greater than the number of blacks.

The American establishment is extraordinarily good at getting its children into the best colleges. In the last presidential election both candidates—George Bush and John Kerry—were “C” students who would have had little chance of getting into Yale if they had not come from Yale families. Al Gore and Bill Frist both got their sons into their alma maters (Harvard and Princeton respectively), despite their average academic performances. Universities bend over backwards to admit “legacies” (ie, the children of alumni). Harvard admits 40% of legacy applicants compared with 11% of applicants overall. Amherst admits 50%. An average of 21-24% of students in each year at Notre Dame are the offspring of alumni. When it comes to the children of particularly rich donors, the bending-over-backwards reaches astonishing levels. Harvard even has something called a “Z” list—a list of applicants who are given a place after a year’s deferment to catch up—that is dominated by the children of rich alumni.

University behaviour is at its worst when it comes to grovelling to celebrities. Duke University’s admissions director visited Steven Spielberg’s house to interview his stepdaughter. Princeton found a place for Lauren Bush—the president’s niece and a top fashion model—despite the fact that she missed the application deadline by a month. Brown University was so keen to admit Michael Ovitz’s son that it gave him a place as a “special student”. (He dropped out after a year.)

Most people think of black football and basketball stars when they hear about “sports scholarships”. But there are also sports scholarships for rich white students who play preppie sports such as fencing, squash, sailing, riding, golf and, of course, lacrosse. The University of Virginia even has scholarships for polo-players, relatively few of whom come from the inner cities.

You might imagine that academics would be up in arms about this. Alas, they have too much skin in the game. Academics not only escape tuition fees if they can get their children into the universities where they teach. They get huge preferences as well. Boston University accepted 91% of “faculty brats” in 2003, at a cost of about $9m. Notre Dame accepts about 70% of the children of university employees, compared with 19% of “unhooked” applicants, despite markedly lower average SAT scores.

Why do Mr Golden’s findings matter so much? The most important reason is that America is witnessing a potentially explosive combination of trends. Social inequality is rising at a time when the escalators of social mobility are slowing (America has lower levels of social mobility than most European countries). The returns on higher education are rising: the median earnings in 2000 of Americans with a bachelor’s degree or higher were about double those of high-school leavers. But elite universities are becoming more socially exclusive. Between 1980 and 1992, for example, the proportion of disadvantaged children in four-year colleges fell slightly (from 29% to 28%) while the proportion of well-to-do children rose substantially (from 55% to 66%).

Mr Golden’s findings do not account for all of this. Get rid of affirmative action for the rich, and rich children will still do better. But they clearly account for some differences: “unhooked” candidates are competing for just 40% of university places. And they raise all sorts of issues of justice and hypocrisy. What is one to make of Mr Frist, who opposes affirmative action for minorities while practising it for his own son?

The poor left behind
Two groups of people overwhelmingly bear the burden of these policies—Asian-Americans and poor whites. Asian-Americans are the “new Jews”, held to higher standards (they need to score at least 50 points higher than non-Asians even to be in the game) and frequently stigmatised for their “characters” (Harvard evaluators persistently rated Asian-Americans below whites on “personal qualities”). When the University of California, Berkeley briefly considered introducing means-based affirmative action, it rejected the idea on the ground that “using poverty yields a lot of poor white kids and poor Asian kids”.

There are a few signs that the winds of reform are blowing. Several elite universities have expanded financial aid for poor children. Texas A&M has got rid of legacy preferences. Only last week Harvard announced that it was getting rid of “early admission”—a system that favours privileged children—and Princeton rapidly followed suit. But the wind is going to have to blow a heck of a lot harder, and for a heck of a lot longer, before America’s money-addicted and legacy-loving universities can be shamed into returning to what ought to have been their guiding principle all along: admitting people to university on the basis of their intellectual ability.

this article needs to be under featured discussions
a very nice find neutralnuke
thanks
it calls for reform and protest against the corrupt admissions proccess
im quite outraged at these prestigious universities now
anyone feel the same?

Wow that article reveals some horrible things. Wow

no worse time to be a “new jew”

Was I at a disadvantage for putting “Jewish” down? I am half catholic, half jewish, so I just picked one lol, i really hope it wasn’t against me…that would suck a lot.

bump!!!

I’m currently at Baylor University.

Colleges Applied To (accepted at all):
~UCLA - “finalist” for regent’s scholarship, did not receive it
~UCI - w/regent’s scholarship
~UCB
~UCSD - w/regent’s scholarship
~USC - President’s Scholarship (half-tuition)
~Duke
~UNC Chapel Hill
~Pepperdine - $22,000 scholarship
~Biola - $7,500 scholarship
~UT Dallas - almost full ride scholarship (tuition + a lot), McDermott’s Finalist (did not get award)
~Baylor - Regent’s Scholarship (full tuition), Achievement Scholarship ($3000/year), Invitation to Excellence scholarship ($1000 one time)
~College of New Jersey - alright, I never actually got accepted. They sent me something saying that hadn’t received all my info, and so I sent in what they were missing. They never got back to me, and I didn’t follow up, as I was sure by then I didn’t want to go there. But if I had gotten accepted, I would have gotten a full-ride scholarship, through my test scores and GPA. So I count it as an acceptance.

Female
Chinese/Japanese (4th or 5th generation American)
California

National Merit Semi-Finalist

GPA: 4.6 W, 4.0 UW
Rank: approx. 4/465

SAT:
1st time: 720 Math, 770 Verbal, 770 Writing
2nd time: 740 Math, 800 Verbal, 690 Writing

Highest SAT IIs: 780 Math, 790 Lit, 800 US His

Senior year classes:
AP Spanish 4
Adv. Dance
Global Studies IB
AP/IB English 4
Calculus 2 at a community college (Fall semester)
Concert Band (Spring Semester)
I’m not taking AP/IB Biology.

My schedule for the other three year were similar.

**AP’s<a href=“not%20counting%20senior%20year,%20as%20colleges%20didn’t%20see%20those%20scores”>/b</a>:
Chemistry (the class wasn’t AP, but I took the test): 4
Physics B (I didn’t take the AP class as it required summer school, but I took an honors class): 5
Calculus AB: 5
US History: 5
Lang and Comp: 5

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The following was the resume I sent in to several schools:

Academic honors or awards:
~National Merit Finalist – 12th Grade
~Who’s Who Among American High School Students – 11th Grade
~AP Calculus Student of the Year – 11th Grade
~Rotary Club of (City) “Top 100” – 10th and 11th Grade
~IB Trig/Pre-Calc Student of the Year – 10th Grade
~Honors Algebra II Student of the Year – 9th Grade

Performing Arts:
~Dance Company (Selective performing dance class) – 11th and 12th Grade
~(School name) Academy of the Arts (Dance Emphasis) – 10th to 12th (Must evaluate dance shows, do community service in dance, and meet certain requirements; Will receive a special cord at graduation)
~Church Youth Orchestra (Flute) – 10th to 12th Grade
~Concert Band at School (Flute) – 12th Grade
~Much Ado About Nothing (High School Fall Play) – Ensemble – 11th Grade
~Evita (High School Spring Musical) – Ensemble – 11th Grade
~Various Plays/Musicals at local theatre – 9th and 10th Grade
~Drama Club/Thespians Society – 9th Grade
~Me and My Girl (High School Spring Musical) – Spotlight Operator – 9th Grade
~Impact (High School Drama Team at Church) – 9th Grade (involved in other skits since then)

Community Service:
~ Summer Missions Trip to Thailand – 12th Grade (7 week trip with other high school seniors from my church; constructed a wall around a seminary, taught 3 different ESL classes 2x per week)
~Sunday School Teacher (4th Grade Boys) – 12th Grade
~Tutor at the local library Homework Help Center – 10th to 12th Grade (Tutor Captain for 2 yrs; (County) “Volunteers of the Year” (Group Award) – 11th Grade)
~Stateside – 11th Grade (Preparing for and running a week of Vacation Bible School in Oakland, CA; Teaching a group of 1st and 2nd graders at a week-long Vacation Bible School at my church)
~Child Care Assistant at Forest Home (Forest Falls, CA) – 9th to 11th Grade (Volunteer for a week or a weekend at Christian family retreat center; helping teach children in the morning, babysitting a family at night)
~Asst. Teacher for Early Childhood at my Church (3-5 yr olds) – 9th to 11th Grade
~Summer Servants – 9th and 10th Grade (Weekly community service days, Week-long service trip)

Other:
~High School Group at _____ Church – 9th to 12th Grade
~Icthus (Christian Club) – 9th to 12th Grade (Secretary, VP, Pres. various years; organized rally as Pres.)
~National Honors Society – 10th to 12th Grade

Work experiences:
Usher at a local theater
June 2004-present
Approx. 10-25 hours/month

I didn’t get rejected at any schools. However, I did not get the scholarships at several schools that I needed in order for it to make it reasonable for me to attend. Duke, for instance, is way too expensive for me and my family without a scholarship, though I don’t qualify for financial aid. And I didn’t even bother applying for the Ivies, as they don’t give out financial aid.

So, I’m at Baylor, and enjoying it quite a bit. Sure, it doesn’t have the prestige that some of the other colleges I applied to have. And the surrounding area isn’t quite what I would have wanted. But the school itself has turned out to be a great fit. I’m in their interdisciplinary honors program, which has kept me challenged, but not overwhelmed. And I’ve made some great new friend, and am enjoying dorm life.

But then, I’m pretty adaptable to whatever comes up, and didn’t have my heart set one one particular college (though Baylor definitely wasn’t one of the top three or so on my list).

good for you bookaddict! you are the type of person i admire on these boards- being able to look beyond the ‘name brand’ for the things that really matter (i did the same)! i wish you the best at baylor!

Resiliency is as important to ultimate success as any gpa or school ranking. Here’s another (((pat on the back))) for you, BookAddict!

Applied: Top 6 UCs
Accepted to all
Currently at UCB.

not too hard to find me.
azn/taiwanese or chink w/e

GPA: 3.75 ish UW, 4.2 ish W; Rank 100/470ish (i hate my school haha, jk)
SAT: 2110 (M 720,W 720,CR 670)
SAT II: 2c: 800
bio: 760
chink: 700 (12%ile fo sho! lol)

APs: Bio, Phyics, calc bc and ab, stats, psych, apush, 5 on all.

Extracurriculars: active Breakdancer, Go player, national chink cultural competition 1st place team, random math contests, some writing contest winner. Oh, and i did a lotta tutoring for my old elementary school, but only the first 2 activities really matter to me cuz that’s what defines me most.

anyone else?

“And I didn’t even bother applying for the Ivies, as they don’t give out financial aid.”

Huh? This is totally wrong…unless the person who wrote this meant to say “merit aid.”

“And I didn’t even bother applying for the Ivies, as they don’t give out financial aid.”

Yeah, that was me. And yeah, I meant merit aid. They don’t give out merit aid, and I don’t qualify for financial aid.

Sorry…

Some of the seeming erratic patterns of admission may be due to personal essays and recommendations. With everyone getting near perfect standardised test scores and participating in numerous ECs, essays and recommendations play a huge factor indeed. I think it would be overly hasty to conclude that admissions to the Ivies or other schools are decided arbitrarily without seeing the quality of essays, recommendations and interviews (if any) of each applicant.

Here’s a scary thought… 4.1 and class president rejected at 4 UCs…

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Actually, I would assume the qualitly of the essays, recs & stats would be the same from the same app for all the places the student applied. Many schools with huge applicants #s no longer have interviews or have “informational only” interviews (where the alumnae interviewer shares info about the school but doesn’t have all that much power RE admissions one way or another).

I think there are some pretty erratic admission patterns out there that neither I nor my S nor our friends can explain for the class of 2010. There is definitely some randomness at play, unfortunately. The bottom line is that there are more qualified applicants than spaces at a many of the most & more selective schools.

4.1 weighted…but still I get wat ur saying. But just realize it was weighted. Also, was he from Cali?

Yes, he was from Cali.

One poster mentioned that geographic location should be mentioned because it is a factor in why some get accepted. It is so interesting because those who live in states where a large number of applicants apply to very selective schools think there is an advantage applying from an area where a lot of applicants dont apply. The reality is that that is not the case. The reason is that when one looks at the stats for the state and does some research, what one finds is that it is the same acceptance rate. Yes, a state may only have 300 applicants, but if only 30 are accepted, that is the same 10% acceptance rate. States that have a large number of applicants also have a high number accepted from the state. It all balances out. When only 9% may come from a particular geographic area representing 5 states, that is actually a very small percentage of applicants coming from each individual state.
The only factor is how the applicant looks compared to the other applicants in that region. Perhaps applicants coming from Wisconson have not been as competitive as applicants coming from New York. An applicant from Wisconsin has to stand apart from the other Wisconsin applicants. Still, the very selective colleges are not going to accept applicants from that state or any other state that is underpresented if they are not qualified. This is why the numbers remain low.
There is no advantage coming from an underrepresented geographic area. I think that in the northeast, applicants have done all kinds of things to get the edge with many wealthy families spending between $25,000-$40.000 for tutoring, college consultants ect. Perhaps many of those repackaged applicants appear to look similar.The majority of the students classmates at the same school want the same elite colleges.Thus, they think it is easier coming from somwhere else.